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Sep 30, 2012 12:18:38   #
Redhatchris
 
When the pattern says M1, What is the difference in the finished product if I M1 by knitting in the f & b rather than picking up the stitch below (M1)?
Conversely, can I increase 1 by using the M1 method?
thanks.
 
Sep 30, 2012 12:46:53   #
galaxy19
 
It depends on the pattern. Some patterns use the M1 interchangeably for the KFB (knit front and back) Inc 1. But sometimes it does make a difference.
The KFB increase (see video here: http://www.astraknots.com/k2tog-decrease-kfb-increase.html ) produces one stitch that looks like a knit, and the other that looks like a purl.
The M1 can be done several ways, and tends to disguise the increase more than the KFB.
In some situations it is impossible to use the M1 and you must KFB. An example would be at the ends of the rows (there is no bar to pick up unless you are between stitches) or on the first row after casting on. Also if you have to increase several stitches right in a row.

Ultimately I would recommend using the method listed in the pattern, especially if they specify the 'how'. But sometimes you can use them interchangeably, it might just be a matter of experimentation.
Sep 30, 2012 13:07:27   #
Redhatchris
 
Thank you, I think that answers my question completely and exactly. The link does not work.
Sep 30, 2012 13:35:43   #
galaxy19
 
I fixed the link. It included the ) in my link
Oct 1, 2012 05:44:41   #
lovethelake
 
I will agree,and until doing this one pattern, I would not have thought no big deal. But on this pattern, sometimes I increase by m1 and sometimes by lifting up the bottom loop under the stitch I just knitted to increase. So, obviously how I do it makes a difference, who would have 'thunk it'?
Oct 1, 2012 06:20:21   #
Redhatchris
 
lovethelake wrote:
I will agree,and until doing this one pattern, I would not have thought no big deal. But on this pattern, sometimes I increase by m1 and sometimes by lifting up the bottom loop under the stitch I just knitted to increase. So, obviously how I do it makes a difference, who would have 'thunk it'?


I thought that M1 was picking up the loop under the stitch...
 
Oct 1, 2012 06:39:02   #
lovethelake
 
M1 is an increase. Sometimes it is knit into the front and the back loop of a stitch. Sometimes you pick up the loop under the stitch you just knitted. Sometimes you raise the bar between the two stitches and then knit into the back of that bar. You need to read the directions, and see if the designer wants to you to do it a special way (check the end of the pattern for a glossary). If not, choose your favorite
Oct 1, 2012 08:18:51   #
RUSTYDANCER66
 
Also look for M1 videos, knitting into the front or back of the bar will slant your new stitch in a different direction.
I can never recall which is which and have to look at the directions/video again! I have seen M1r, and M1L in patterns also!
Oct 1, 2012 08:24:10   #
baileysmom
 
RUSTYDANCER66 wrote:
Also look for M1 videos, knitting into the front or back of the bar will slant your new stitch in a different direction.
I can never recall which is which and have to look at the directions/video again! I have seen M1r, and M1L in patterns also!


There are good videos on this out there. I've never used it, but I watched a video and know how it's done. I've learned a lot from everyone here and from You Tube. At least I know all the basics. It is fun. Wish I didn't have to work then could knit all day, oh wait, I have done that for 2 weeks, now its back to work, phooey!
Oct 1, 2012 08:55:14   #
generalfocus
 
I think Lily Chin is the designer who has given an alternative to the K1fb .... instead K1bf as this will eliminate the "bump".
Oct 1, 2012 09:14:07   #
lovethelake
 
True, I just remembered that I am going to do a Steven West scarf that has M1R and M1l. When I saw that in the pattern I was glad that at the end of the book there was a glossary
 
Oct 1, 2012 11:24:34   #
crazygyrlknits
 
I was working a shawl ( moss stitch shawl on Ravelry ) not too long ago and it said M1 it wasnt until i got about 20 rows in that I realized it was the tip (bottom of the shawl and I was to M1R after the moss stitches then M1L on the other end before the moss stitches to make a nice seam. I frogged and wrote this on my pattern for next time. I decided to do the easy peasy 2 shawl Ravelry instead with this particular yarn, Malbrigo stonechat so soft for my mom for Christmas. I wanted something simple but elegant she could wear daily to work or while reading a good book in the evening.
Oct 1, 2012 13:12:30   #
denisejh
 
Redhatchris-Make a little test swatch and make increases using different methods (M1, kfb, yo, backwards loop, etc). This will let you see the difference between them all. That would be a good little piece to save in your knitting notions bag for reference (attach a little card to identify each method). As I replied in a similar post earlier this morning, regardless of the method given in the pattern, you can pretty much use whatever method you prefer. Denise
Oct 1, 2012 20:01:28   #
phoenix knitter
 
Hi all :)

I'm so glad someone asked this question!

Usually I M1 to increase, but atm I am doing The Beekeepers Quilt (Ravelry) and it specifies kfb to increase. I keep getting a little horizontal "bar" in my knitting when I do this increase :( . What am I doing wrong?

Tracey
Oct 1, 2012 21:06:09   #
lovethelake
 
Are you knitting the stitch, then looping the needle around to knit in the back of the loop, then taking the 2 stitches off the left needle?
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