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Reading Lace Chart - I Need Help Starting !!!
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Jul 4, 2011 08:26:44   #
yellowrose741
 
Let me start by saying I am a new knitter and have thrown myself into it. Love Knitting !!! I just started learning to read charts and am attempting a pattern on Ravelry called Springtime Bandit. OK the directions for the cast-on were very confusing to me so I read the comments from many of the people who had done the project and one of them made it simple by giving alternate cast-on directions. Both set of directions for the cast on ended on an odd row.

THIS IS FROM THE PATTERN DIRECTIONS:
Cast-On:
Using crochet hook and waste yarn, chain 4 sts. Using scarf yarn and needles, pick up and knit 1 st
in each of 2 back loops of chain - 2 sts on needles.
Rows 1-6: Knit all sts.
Row 7: K2, rotate work and pick up 1 st in each of 3 garter ridges, remove waste yarn from CO sts,
place 2 sts on LH needle, K2 - 7 sts.
Work rows 1-24 of Set-Up Chart once - 55 sts.
etc.

THIS IS THE ALTERNATE CAST OFFERED BY SOMEONE WHO HAD DONE THE PROJECT:
CO5
row 1: Knit (RS)
row 2: K2, M1F, K1, M1B, K2 (7 stitches) (WS)
row 3: Purl (RS)
row 4: begin set up chart (WS)


OK, my question (and major confusion is)... In my research on how to read charts everything has said that the first row on the chart (odd number) is the RS and alternate rows (even number) are the WS. Well, the cast on ends on an odd number so doesn't that make the first row (odd number on the chart) an even number on the project so really a WS? or is the cast on this project considered to be the first first CO 5 stitches and include row 1-3 as above so the first row of my chart would then be the RS?

Although my question sounds confusing to me, i am sure you seasoned knitters out there will understand what I am trying to convey. If not, Please Please Please ask me to better explain. I really want to get this project started.

Thanks you all so much for your time.

I am not sure how to use this forum very well either. I posted this once and now can't find where so am reposting !!
 
Jul 4, 2011 13:58:51   #
Sewbizgirl
 
Your cast on rows are all garter so either side can be the front or the back. Just do not worry about these rows. Work them and then begin with row 1 of the set up chart.

First let me say that a chart is a diagram of your knitting, and it moves the same way your knitting does. You start at the lower edge and work from right to left on the front side. Then you turn and work from left to write on the wrong side. When working the wrong side rows, remember to do the opposite stitch from the symbol, because you are working from the back side. For instance, if the chart shows to knit, you purl from the back side. If it says K2tog, you would p2tog on the back side. Complicated incs and decs are usually done on the front side rows, but not always, so you need to know this.

So begin with row 1. All your RS rows will start on the right side of the chart and move left. In the set up chart, she only has the right side rows charted, which means you purl back across the wrong side rows. Same for her body chart. But in her edge chart she has every row charted, so you will need to pay attention to what you are supposed to do for the WS and be sure you are doing the WS version of any chart symbols in the blocks.

Hope that will help get you started.
Jul 4, 2011 15:20:16   #
yellowrose741
 
Thanks so much.... Seems I am really going to have to focus. This may be more that I am equipped for at the moment but will give it a go !!
Jul 4, 2011 15:50:38   #
mebo
 
Personally, I have so much trouble reading graphs that I end up writing it out (actually, typing it on the computer), and I only have to puzzle through it once that way.

If it says *K34, purl 26, yo, k26, p 34* and repeat 57 times, I write out the * portion 57 times by cutting and pasting, and it numbers the rows for me on my word processing program. Then I check off the row I finish....It keeps me from screwing it up.

It works for me, graphs don't make sense to me - translating from front to back, etc.....HTH
Jul 4, 2011 15:50:48   #
mebo
 
Personally, I have so much trouble reading graphs that I end up writing it out (actually, typing it on the computer), and I only have to puzzle through it once that way.

If it says *K34, purl 26, yo, k26, p 34* and repeat 57 times, I write out the * portion 57 times by cutting and pasting, and it numbers the rows for me on my word processing program. Then I check off the row I finish....It keeps me from screwing it up.

It works for me, graphs don't make sense to me - translating from front to back, etc.....HTH
Jul 4, 2011 16:23:36   #
Sewbizgirl
 
It's way faster and more accurate once you get used to reading charts.
 
Jul 4, 2011 16:54:31   #
yellowrose741
 
I feel your pain
Jul 4, 2011 16:57:43   #
yellowrose741
 
Everyone kept telling me that but I avoided them. Well, my last project I decided to dive in and use the chart and I finally understood that charts are easier BUT the project I did had a basic chart. I have only been knitting three months but I want to learn how to do it all..... I have attached the pdf so that you can see what I am talking about. If you are interested that is....

Attached file:
(Download)
Jul 4, 2011 17:13:21   #
Sewbizgirl
 
I already did a search for your chart and downloaded it so I could try and help you... It's not that hard. I've taught classes in chart reading before, but usually start with an easy Feather and Fan lace pattern. Just jump in there and get you feet wet. It will make sense as you go. You can learn it! :D
Jul 4, 2011 17:20:28   #
yellowrose741
 
Thanks for your encouragement. Now I know where to go to ask a question as I work through this. I know I can do it but will have a few ditches to jump !! I have pink eye right now and have to use gel medication so my vision is not great right now. Will start this learning project once I can see.... I may be reaching out again
Jul 4, 2011 17:36:31   #
Sewbizgirl
 
yellowrose741 wrote:
Thanks for your encouragement. Now I know where to go to ask a question as I work through this. I know I can do it but will have a few ditches to jump !! I have pink eye right now and have to use gel medication so my vision is not great right now. Will start this learning project once I can see.... I may be reaching out again


I'm probably going to stop following this thread now, so you can PM me later if you get stuck. Lots of others on this site know how to follow charts, too. ;-)

Hope the pinkeye goes away soon. No itching... :shock:
 
Jul 4, 2011 17:46:07   #
yellowrose741
 
thanks
Jul 5, 2011 07:52:20   #
BoBeau
 
Sewbizgirl wrote:

When working the wrong side rows, remember to do the opposite stitch from the symbol, because you are working from the back side. For instance, if the chart shows to knit, you purl from the back side. If it says K2tog, you would p2tog on the back side.
(partial quote)

Your pattern states (under notes and charts) that "For all uncharted wrong side rows, work as follows: Knit 2, purl until 2 sts remain, K2. For Edge Chart, work the WS rows as charted."

On the main part, do not work reverse of charts. :thumbup:
Jul 5, 2011 08:37:38   #
yellowrose741
 
Thanks BoBeau - I will be off and running today !!
Jul 5, 2011 10:22:33   #
crjc
 
Wow. All I can say is for someone who has been knitting for only 3 months, you are very ambitious. All the best to you. I really don't like charts. I prefer to read the written pattern, but you really have to read it from right to left when you begin and when you turn you read from left to right and follow the symbols in the squares.
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