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Jul 29, 2011 18:07:31   #
oakwoman
 
I printed a free pattern from Lion Brand: www.lionbrand.com/patterns/20064-K.html?noImages=

The armhole shaping has me confused.
1. Bind off 5 sts at beg of next 2 rows. OK
2. Decrease Row(RS) - are these instructions for each of the 2 rows I am binding off??? But it can't be because it says Rep dec row every other row 9 times- 51 sts.
3. What is work even mean, what stitch do I use? until armhole measures 8 1/2", ending on WS.
4. Then it says Next row (RS) and gives these instructions which I understand, but says to work even until armhole measures 9 1/2. this is the other armhole, but how did we get to the other side?

Maybe I just don't know enough for this pattern. Any help is so greatly appreciated. thank you so much.
 
Jul 29, 2011 18:35:22   #
Joy Marshall (a regular here)
 
Need more information here. What exactly is the item you are knitting and Lion Brand's name for it? Work even means to just keep on knitting straight as you are already doing without shaping, etc.
Jul 29, 2011 18:58:28   #
trainmaster
 
oakwoman wrote:
I printed a free pattern from Lion Brand: www.lionbrand.com/patterns/20064-K.html?noImages=

The armhole shaping has me confused.
1. Bind off 5 sts at beg of next 2 rows. OK
2. Decrease Row(RS) - are these instructions for each of the 2 rows I am binding off??? But it can't be because it says Rep dec row every other row 9 times- 51 sts.
3. What is work even mean, what stitch do I use? until armhole measures 8 1/2", ending on WS.
4. Then it says Next row (RS) and gives these instructions which I understand, but says to work even until armhole measures 9 1/2. this is the other armhole, but how did we get to the other side?

Maybe I just don't know enough for this pattern. Any help is so greatly appreciated. thank you so much.
I printed a free pattern from Lion Brand: www.lion... (show quote)


the Decrease rows will follow the two rows of bind off 5 at beginning, Work even means that after the decrease rows have been completed down to the 51 sts. you continue on these 51 sts. untill you have 8 1/2". you have to finish off one side then reattatch the yarn to the other side to follow the decrease directions. I hope this helps.
Jul 29, 2011 19:03:45   #
Dreamweaver (a regular here)
 
Exactly as stated above. When it says Decrease Row, there should be instructions that include knitting 2 together at each end every so many rows or some such thing that decreases stitches at a slow even rate. This will probably take you most of the 8 1/2 inches.
Jul 29, 2011 19:05:32   #
cakirkette
 
1. ok
2. This is the instructions for how to decrease. Alternate rows will be decrease rows starting after the two rows of bind offs.
3. Work even means to keep using the same stitch or pattern you have established without doing any more decreases.
4. If this is the back, you are shaping both armholes at the same time. The two rows with bind offs start the shaping and the decrease rows have decreases on both sides of the back creating angles for both armholes.
Jul 29, 2011 21:24:04   #
oakwoman
 
It is working the two armholes together, because the back is one piece. I think I got it.

You are all the best, thank you so much.
 
Jul 29, 2011 21:26:00   #
oakwoman
 
Joy the pattern is called Vest in a Jiffy.
Jul 30, 2011 08:21:54   #
evesch
 
oakwoman wrote:
It is working the two armholes together, because the back is one piece. I think I got it.

You are all the best, thank you so much.


yes, this is what is happening for the back. It gives you an illustration of the back and measurements just run your finger back and forth on those schematics and you will see more sense in the instructions.
Jul 30, 2011 09:46:56   #
past
 
I pulled up the pattern for Vest-in-a-Jiffy. Here are the directions as printed.

Armhole shaping
Bind off 3 (3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5) sts at beg of next 2 rows.


Decrease row (RS) Work 4 sts in Seed st, ssk, knit to last 6 sts, k2tog, work last 4 sts in Seed st. Rep dec row every other row 5 (6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13) times more – 41 (43, 47, 49, 51, 53, 57) sts. Work even until armhole measures 6½ (7, 7½, 8, 8½, 9, 9½) inches, ending after a WS row.

For the decrease row (RS) you work the 1st 4 stitches in Seed Stitch. This means working knits over purl and purl over knit. The next stitch is your decrease slip 1, slip next stitch then knit the 2 together. Knit next stitches until you get to only 6 stitches left on your need then k2tog and work seed stitch over the last 4 stitches.

All wrong side rows start with 4 stitches in seed stitch then purl to the last 4 stitches and work the last 4 in seed stitch.

You repeat these 2 rows doing the decreases on the right side and purl the wrong side until you have the correct number of stitches remaining (you indicated you will end with 51 stitches)

Once you have 51 stitches remaining you then follow the next row instructions:

Next row (RS) Work 4 sts in Seed st, k 2 (2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6), 29 (31, 33, 33, 35, 35, 37) sts in Seed st, k 2 (2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6), 4 sts in Seed st. Work even until armhole measures 7½ (8, 8½, 9, 9½, 10, 10½) inches, ending after a WS row.

I looks like at this point you are establishing a new pattern. 1st 4 stitches in seed stitch, next 2 stitches in stocking stitch, establish seed stitch (k1 p1) until 6 stitches remain, k2 stitches, then seed stitch on last 4 stitches. Your wrong side row would be seed stitch 1st 4 stitches, p2, seed stitch (knit the purls, purl the knits) until 6 stitches remain, p2, then seed stitch the last 4 stitches.
{Work even until armhole measures 7½ (8, 8½, 9, 9½, 10, 10½) inches, ending after a WS row}means to continue in the new pattern of 4 stitches seed, 2 stitches stocking stitch, 39 stitches seed, 2 stitches stocking stitch, 4 stitches see until the arm measures the desired length ending by working a wrong side row.

Hope this helps.
Jul 30, 2011 10:20:46   #
Neanie
 
I'm glad she asked this question, and began this thread. I've been knitting for a year, but I'm working on my first sweater. In my knitting group at church, we have about 8 knitters, who all began at the same time, learning to knit. I am probably the slowest member and I don't even mind saying that. But I am working on this sweater, and it is a very simple "tee shirt" pattern, with raglan sleeves. I had the same question the "Newbie" had, PLUS SOME! My pattern is making a really pretty "net", very open weave, I will wear a tank top underneath this. But evidently, mine is making up to be larger than the pattern, which I don't think I care. BUT, at the sleeves, the pattern says to "bind off 1 st. at the end of each row, ever 4 rows, for 11 rows." Well, that would mean that I am going to be knitting 44 rows, from the armhole to the neck. NOT! My whole sweater, from the bottom ribbing to the armholes, is not even 44 rows! So this would be entirely too big. So I'm trying to get my decreases in, by decreasing on each end, on EVERY row. I started out with 58 stitches, and I'm supposed to end with 34 stitches, once my armhole decreases are done, so I'm decreasing on every row. I'm hoping, and wondering, if this will still make an armhole that I will be able to attach my sleeve to, later. The sleeves are made separately, and sewn on. And also the back and front, are knitted separately and then sewn (or knitted) together. I hope I don't finish this thing up, and have it not be good for anything! It's a very pretty knit pattern, and it's fun to knit. But I want to WEAR it! LOL!
Jul 30, 2011 11:55:26   #
Dcsmith77 (a regular here)
 
Neanie, if you did a swatch and have the right guage, then your sweater should be the right size. If you did not do a swatch, chances of your sweater being the right size are iffy. If we can see the exact directions, we can help you, rather than guessing.
 
Jul 31, 2011 09:51:16   #
Chava
 
This is why we have top-down raglan sweater knitting patterns! Also why we have toe-up sox.

Swatch, swatch, measure, check. Look at your swatch and decide if the stitches lay flat and smooth or might look better with a smaller or larger needle. Check your gauge for that yarn IOW (instructions on web).

I don't know how far you are or whether this would embarass you before your peers, but at some point you frog it. Or put it aside for a while.

Or start sharing scrubbies or blanket squares or whatever. POW (Pattern on web; VOW, video on web--I just made those up and there's nothing wrong with that as long as I explain the abbreviations.

Most of us on KP (this forum) have a number of WIP (works in progress) and there are many reasons for it.

Good luck!
Jul 31, 2011 11:11:38   #
oakwoman
 
Neanie You are right on the rows being 44 which is wrong. Have you cked for corrections on the pattern on the website of the company or designer of the pattern? This is Newbie here so I could be wrong too, but it sounds like there is an error.

As to my pattern - I worked with a friend who geared me to a different pattern that is much smarter looking and the directions make total sense to me. So that makes me think sometimes directions are not checked totally (good old human error) or they are just making something more complicated than necessary by not using clear instructions.

I do hope it works out. Please let me know.
Jul 31, 2011 12:19:18   #
Dcsmith77 (a regular here)
 
One way you can check the pattern is to read the decrease instructions for the sleeves and see if they are the same. If you decrease one stitch each row for 11 rows on the sleeve, for example, then the "ever(sic) 4 rows" clause is wrong and the sleeve will not fit the body of the garment. Don't ever discount an error in the pattern, and that is very hard for inexperienced knitters to catch. Many patterns are not checked for errors. In my personal opinion, no pattern should be printed until the designer has knit the item from the printed pattern, but not likely to happen.
 
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