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#56 CLOSED - Guernsey(Gansey) Fisherman's sweater with Lurker2
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Apr 27, 2014 17:59:40   #
Designer1234 (a regular here)
 
PLEASE ALWAYS start reading from the beginning of this workshop, even if you join in late.

It is important, as sometimes corrections are made or there are additions to the original information. If you are starting the class, even after the starting date...
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Please post "I'm In"as soon as you come into this workshop- once I have counted you into the student count, I will delete your post.
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Welcome to the Gansey sweater class with Lurker2

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It starts tomorrow morning and Julie will post the first portion of the class prior to us waking up.






 
Apr 27, 2014 18:13:02   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
Good morning, (our time) from Monday, in New Zealand. I am rather busy just at present - I have to return my library books amongst other errands- I will retrieve the basic instructions for those who are working out their own designs.
As mentioned my principle source is Rae Compton's 'The Complete Book of Traditional GUERNSEY & JERSEY KNITTING' - Batsford Craft Paperback.

Guernseys, ganseys and jerseys were knitted mostly in the Sea Ports around the British Isles, with particular patterns having been found specific to various towns.

In the early days of photography a number of people took photographs of guernseys being knitted and worn. Typically they are knitted from a fine woollen yarn, often in dark colours. They are worked in one piece, with ‘seam’ stitches, and usually an under-arm gusset
.

The patterns that I am attaching were found in garments knitted on Eriskay in the Outer Hebrides of Scotland


There are not exact patterns for the traditional Guernsey- it is a matter of knitting a swatch in stocking stitch, and the design that you have chosen, and calculating from there
.


There are number of questions suggested, to be answered
:
Which thickness of yarn to use?

What is your tension?

Who is it for and what is the size?

How long from shoulder to lower edge?

How long from lower edge to underarm?

(The difference between the last two gives the depth of the armhole)

How deep is the welt to be?

What type of rib or pattern will be used for the welt?

How many stitches are to be in the gusset?

How many rows or rounds between each increase?
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Where is the pattern to start?
Does the pattern draw in the material?

Important
(Ropes will need more stitches for the same width, moss stitch will give the greatest width. Vertical patterns will draw in like ribbing, banded designs may need extra rows to get their full length)

What type of shoulder finishing are you going to use?

What type of neck finishing are you going to use?

Is the sleeve to be banded or plain?


How deep is the cuff to be?

Have you remembered seam stitches?

It is suggested that you graph your chart out on graph paper, to make sure you have answered all the necessary questions.
Apr 27, 2014 19:28:19   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
Just so you can see the value of the Guernsey/Gansey you will be making I thought you might like to check out this website selling Ganseys commercially:

http://www.manorhouse.clara.net/knitwear/ganseys.htm

This site was brought to my attention by a friend in Australia, thanks, Joy! You will see that they retail for several hundred pounds Sterling.
Apr 27, 2014 19:48:06   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
First step is to knit your swatch, once you have chosen your yarn

Use the needle size as indicated on the ball band as a starting point. Remembering that traditionally the Gansey is knitted on finer needles to give a dense fabric- for wind and water proofing. For this reason as well a greasy wool was used- but most often one can only obtain a scoured wool, unless you spin your own!

I would suggest that you use the swatch to practise a Guernsey cast on- this can vary from the thumb method, to two needle cast ons, or if you are keen you could try the knotted cast ons. There are a number of ways of achieving this: you could check out youtube, I just googled 'Guernsey cast on' and came up with several methods to experiment with.

Remember to record what you have done- it is so easy to forget, even a day later!
When swatching I like to start with some ribbing, so the piece lies flat when you come to check your stitch count. I discovered by accident that the cast off (bound off edge) that I made before I tried my second needle size made a clear ridge so I knew which was which. I simply picked up the stitches from the cast off edge with my next size up needle.
swatch for the grey Gansey
swatch for the grey Gansey...
Apr 27, 2014 22:25:38   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
KittyChris wrote:
I'm in Julie. Do you think it's ok if I use some acrylic yarn that I have a bunch of rather than wool? Or if I use wool, is fingering weight too thin?


I would think it better to try your acrylic, if it is the right weight, when I looked up fingering, it is only 2ply- unless you used it doubled. But of course then you would need a large amount of yarn, and I am not too sure how to calculate it!
Apr 27, 2014 23:34:41   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
catlover1960 wrote:
I love the look of these sweaters. I will definitely be following this workshop.


They can, by the way, be knitted in cotton, or a cotton mix- for a warmer climate.
 
Apr 28, 2014 03:04:13   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
When you have knitted your swatch, and decided who you are making the guernsey for, that is you know what size you want to knit, you can calculate how many stitches to cast on, + your seam stitches, remembering if you are doing a 2 X 2 rib you need to end up with a multiple of 4. I like a welt of 2 1/2 to 3 inches deep. This is a matter of personal choice! when you have the welt completed, you can mark the position of your seam stitches- with stitch markers. It is a good idea at this point to knit a few inches either stocking stitch, or reverse stocking stitch. You might think of working a name into this band- as I have done on the grey and the blue.

If you are working out your own design, you will need to join two pieces of graph paper to get it long enough. It is a lot simpler if the front is the same as the back, but you could be really bold and work out a separate design for them.
When I was first starting to draft the design I used a pencil, to make it easier to correct mistakes. Disasters in ink, can be wiped to some extent with 'white out', or Liquid Paper.
the chart for my name on the grey guernsey one for the back, one for the front,
the chart for my name on the grey guernsey one for...
Most of the chart for the body, grey guernsey
Most of the chart for the body, grey guernsey...
Name and lower body charts for the blue guernsey
Name and lower body charts for the blue guernsey...
23 stitch panel, higher up the body
23 stitch panel, higher up the body...
another 23 stitch motif
another 23 stitch motif...
Apr 28, 2014 07:15:56   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
Diane D wrote:
Do i need to get Rae Compton's 'The Complete Book of Traditional GUERNSEY & JERSEY KNITTING' - Batsford Craft Paperback to get the pattern of what we are making..


I am hoping the information I can give you- from it, will be sufficient- is it on Amazon? I to be honest have not looked! But if you have found a copy, it is well worth purchasing such a treasure- there is a wealth of information in it, as also there is in the earlier classic Gladys Thompson's PATTERNS FOR GUERNSEYS JERSEYS & ARANS, Dover, 1969.
Apr 28, 2014 07:26:13   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
lpeni wrote:
I just checked Amazon for this book and they want $134.00 for it. My library doesn't carry it, but they do carry another Guernsey book so I thought I would see what that entails.


Help- that sounds like it is daylight robbery! Or unfortunately the Classic that it is. And a very old printing- Have you thought of a library interloan?
Apr 28, 2014 07:27:34   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
forrestsmum1 wrote:
I'm in....finally found the link....very slow me!!


That is wonderful! Glad to see you.
Apr 28, 2014 07:31:23   #
forrestsmum1
 
Lurker 2 wrote:
Just so you can see the value of the Guernsey/Gansey you will be making I thought you might like to check out this website selling Ganseys commercially:

http://www.manorhouse.clara.net/knitwear/ganseys.htm

This site was brought to my attention by a friend in Australia, thanks, Joy! You will see that they retail for several hundred pounds Sterling.


I actually remember being amazed ant the beauty of the patterns and the obvious quality of these hardy garments.
 
Apr 28, 2014 07:32:14   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
For those of you who are freaking out at the suggestion of working from your swatch- and creating your own pattern- the finest ERISKAY Guernsey I have encountered is in Madeline Weston's "Country Weekend Knits." There is also Alice Starmore's "Fishermen's Sweaters" BUT I have been unable to borrow that one- it is not in my library system, and I needed to buy yarn for this project- not interloan fees.

Seriously! I know it is scary going out there and creating your pattern- but it is just an exercise in mathematics- or more accurately arithmetic!
Apr 28, 2014 07:46:15   #
NanaCaren
 
Lurker 2 wrote:
Help- that sounds like it is daylight robbery! Or unfortunately the Classic that it is. And a very old printing- Have you thought of a library interloan?


It is robbery but... like you said such a treasure of information. I am checking my library before I decide if I am going to purchase one.
Apr 28, 2014 07:49:29   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
jmai5421 wrote:
Fishermans knits and Guernseys? Are they interchangeable? Are Fishermans knits also Guernseys?


Guernsys, Ganseys, and Jerseys are all fishermen's jumpers,(pullover sweaters)and some were knitted by the
fishermen, themselves!
Apr 28, 2014 07:50:11   #
Lurker 2 (a regular here)
 
NanaCaren wrote:
It is robbery but... like you said such a treasure of information. I am checking my library before I decide if I am going to purchase one.


That sounds sensible!
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