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Jan 7, 2012 09:19:10   #
Bulkarn
 
I knit mostly cabled garments, so lacy patterns are new to me. I just did a cowl that had a k2tog, yo repeat, purling the next row and dropping the yarn over. At the end of the yo row I had doubled my stitches and then dropped them on the purl row. Am starting a scarf with similar instructions but did the same thing with the yo, dropping them on the next (knit in this case) row. Lost half my stitches. Then I redid the swatch and knit the yo and came close to retaining the stitches but somehow ended up with 2 extra. The pattern looked closer to the picture though. Are some yo's knitted/purled on the back row --I thought they were always dropped to give a longer stitch or eyelet-and why is my stitch count off? I know one of you brilliant knitters have an answer. Many thanks.
 
Jan 7, 2012 09:39:08   #
Jill2
 
I have done a lot of lace knitting but have never used a pattern that calls for dropping a yo....the patterns I have used thus far have instructed me to k or p them.
I'll keep my eyes open for a pattern that drops yo's.....learn something new every day here on KP.
Jan 7, 2012 09:50:53   #
Knitnut101
 
In all the lace patterns that I have done, the yo are purled or knit. This is because the yo is intended to create a hole for the lace, while the knitting 2tog keeps the stitch count the same. If you drop the yo stitches on the next row, that would create a much larger hole and reduce the stitches by half. Without seeing the first pattern you refered to, I am not sure how the cast on stitch count was kept constant. However, unless the pattern specifically tells you to drop a yo, don't do so because it will reduce your stitches. I am not certain why you ended up with two extra stitches. Maybe using stitch markers to keep track of your stitches would help?
Jan 7, 2012 10:40:05   #
Bulkarn
 
The pattern is Marimba with Peiades Cowl from artfibers.com in San Francisco and I believe the owner, Roxanne Seabright, may have designed it. It uses two yarns, one a ribbon, one a thread with gold on it. I've attached a photo and the long stitches are one row of yos and one row of purls. I've actually seen this in scarves.

Row 1: *Ki, yo, repeat from * to the last st, k1
Row 2: Purl the normal sts and drop the yos off the needle (this makes the sts longer).
Row 3-8: you switch to 2nd yarn and is stockinette and repeat the 8 rows.


Jan 7, 2012 11:04:37   #
Knitnut101
 
Bulkarn wrote:
The pattern is Marimba with Peiades Cowl from artfibers.com in San Francisco and I believe the owner, Roxanne Seabright, may have designed it. It uses two yarns, one a ribbon, one a thread with gold on it. I've attached a photo and the long stitches are one row of yos and one row of purls. I've actually seen this in scarves.

Row 1: *Ki, yo, repeat from * to the last st, k1
Row 2: Purl the normal sts and drop the yos off the needle (this makes the sts longer).
Row 3-8: you switch to 2nd yarn and is stockinette and repeat the 8 rows.
The pattern is Marimba with Peiades Cowl from artf... (show quote)


In this pattern the stitches stay the same because the yo is not used with a knit 2 tog to create a hole. the yo is just used to elongate the stitch so it is dropped on the second row and the number of stitches remain correct because you have not decreased anywhere by knitting 2 tog. In the lace pattern you are working on now, you use a yo with a knit 2tog to create holes to produce a holey lace pattern. The yo creates a stitch and the 2 stitches are knit together to keep the stitch count correct. On the next row you knit or purl (as the pattern says,) the yo to replace the stitch you lost when you knit 2 together in the pattern row, and where the yo is, a hole appears. So if you just drop the yo on the next row, then you get a much larger hole as well a loosing a stitch.

I hope this makes sense and helps.
Jan 7, 2012 11:15:18   #
Bulkarn
 
Thank you so much. Makes perfect sense. Why couldn't I figure that out?
 
Jan 7, 2012 11:21:53   #
Jill2
 
Your cowl is beautiful! Love the color and the yarn you chose!
Jan 7, 2012 11:41:56   #
Bulkarn
 
Thank you. But I ended up with too many stitches and it's lopsided. Don't know what's going on, I'm having a hard time with stitch count lately. And I'm not a beginner.
Jan 7, 2012 13:24:31   #
Jill2
 
Bulkarn, what pattern are you using?
Jan 7, 2012 13:46:50   #
Bulkarn
 
It is a swatch from The New Knitters Template by Bryant and Klein. I'm just repeating it for a scarf. Called Ridged Ribbon Eyelet. I don't know if that is a recognized stitch pattern or if they created it.
Jan 7, 2012 14:06:44   #
Jill2
 
Is this it?

http://www.knittingfool.com/pages/stCatalog2.guest.cfm?StitchID=742&name=Ridged%20Ribbon%20Eyelet&numofst=2&stplus=1&rows=6&rplus=0&sym=0
 
Jan 7, 2012 14:07:09   #
G-Linda
 
Your pattern shows K1, YO..........K1
When you purl back, dropping the YOs, and purling the K1s you keep the same number of stitches as you started with. You are dropping your increases. This creates a hole in your knitting.

If your stitch count is incorrect you are purling YOs or dropping K1s.
Jan 7, 2012 14:14:08   #
Bulkarn
 
Yes, they add an additional 4 rows of a lace pattern and the two together is the pattern I'm using--trying to. You've all helped tremendously.
Jan 7, 2012 14:56:27   #
Jill2
 
The ridged ribbon is a multiple of 2 stitches +1...... So the cast on needs to be an odd number of stitches.....is that what you have?
Jan 8, 2012 11:38:35   #
sockyarn (a regular here)
 
Bulkarn wrote:
I knit mostly cabled garments, so lacy patterns are new to me. I just did a cowl that had a k2tog, yo repeat, purling the next row and dropping the yarn over. At the end of the yo row I had doubled my stitches and then dropped them on the purl row. Am starting a scarf with similar instructions but did the same thing with the yo, dropping them on the next (knit in this case) row. Lost half my stitches. Then I redid the swatch and knit the yo and came close to retaining the stitches but somehow ended up with 2 extra. The pattern looked closer to the picture though. Are some yo's knitted/purled on the back row --I thought they were always dropped to give a longer stitch or eyelet-and why is my stitch count off? I know one of you brilliant knitters have an answer. Many thanks.
I knit mostly cabled garments, so lacy patterns ar... (show quote)


Did the pattern tell you to drop the stitch? if not you do not drop it. By knitting Yo and then k2tog. you are making a hole. The yo is replacing one of the stitches you did in the k2tog. Try doing it again and on the the reverse row knit all that is there. You knit the yarn over and the one stitch from the k2tog.
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