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Feb 28, 2012 12:55:11   #
Doxie Mama
 
What is the best cast-on to use for a k2p2 hat band? And does it differ if it's dp or circular needles?
 
Feb 28, 2012 14:30:26   #
HandyFamily
 
For me the best cast on for a k2p2 or k1p2 is the bulgarian cast on. Unfortunately I could not find any instructions in english - but than, a pic is worst a thousand words, right?
http://tricoter.su/spicy/tech/nabor/v3.html

It makes a very beautiful, distinct edging.
It does not matter really if it will be knited flat or in the round.
The next row is purled and not count as 1st.






Feb 28, 2012 17:26:57   #
Doxie Mama
 
This is really a beautiful edge, and I would love to learn it. I have not run across it anywhere before. I am trying to figure out the picture, it looks as if there are 3 strands in use...2 look as if they are wrapped aroung the needle and behind the thumb, and a 3rd strand looping counter-clockwise beind the index finger? Am I reading that part correctly?
Feb 28, 2012 17:52:05   #
HandyFamily
 
One part - the "tail" - is double threaded. The one-thread is from the skein / ball.
Look at the video on the link, it is from a russian site, but you will be able to see what the hands must do.
This was the very first cast on I learned as a ... 4? 5? Somewhere there - years old...
Feb 28, 2012 18:54:27   #
Doxie Mama
 
Thank you, I will be trying to do this. If you could learn when 4 yrs. old, perhaps I at 74 yrs. old can learn it also. It looks as if for the tail, you make a double loop for every two stitches you cast on? Does the over and under the thumb wrap to coordinate with the knit and purl in the wnd row? I may call on you again if I run into questions, but the video is very helpful.
Feb 29, 2012 04:57:37   #
HandyFamily
 
Of course, ask anytime. (PM me, if I somehow miss on the thread).
The different positions of crossing - with the thumb - correspond to the ... hm, upper and lower bump? I'm not sure if I am explaining it right, but... I do hope you'd understand. It has like a bump facing up - in geometry it would be described as "having positive curvature" and a bump that is like lower - and would be "having a negative curvature". The two different crossings actually make the two different bumping.
Here are some more pictures - and explanations in pictures:
http://tamica.ru/tag/%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80+%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C

Ops, I forgot to tell you - this cast on is "thread-consuming", it is a good idea to start with 5 - 6 times the longer "tail" than your estimated length is going to be.

I am quite sure you will learn it - if you really like it - and will probably use it a lot later, since you are making hats, using p2k2 and so on starting... And probably even teach it to someone some day. ;)






 
Feb 29, 2012 05:00:53   #
mavisb
 
I like this cast on it certainly is different. I would love to use it as well. If you don't or haven't time to do this edge I would do a thumb method cast on as there is a flexibility in it.
Feb 29, 2012 08:14:40   #
Dsynr (a regular here)
 
Doxie Mama wrote:
What is the best cast-on to use for a k2p2 hat band? And does it differ if it's dp or circular needles?

Cable cast on is very stretchy. Utube has a video tutorial.
Feb 29, 2012 08:16:49   #
Dsynr (a regular here)
 
Doxie Mama wrote:
What is the best cast-on to use for a k2p2 hat band? And does it differ if it's dp or circular needles?

Cable cast on is very stretchy. Utube has a video tutorial.
Feb 29, 2012 08:19:38   #
courier770
 
That's the cast on I use, I knit Russian style but I use 2 hands to do it!
Feb 29, 2012 09:32:56   #
pleezed2pleez
 
I think this is beautiful, would like to learn it but cannot get it to translate to English, any suggestion?
 
Feb 29, 2012 09:56:26   #
BarbaraL
 
Really nice. Technically it looks to me like a long tail cast on but you double the tail so you are using double thickness resulting in the braided look once you purl the next row. Did I interpret correctly. Pretty hard to just watch without words! Thanx
Feb 29, 2012 10:18:58   #
HandyFamily
 
BarbaraL wrote:
Really nice. Technically it looks to me like a long tail cast on but you double the tail so you are using double thickness resulting in the braided look once you purl the next row. Did I interpret correctly. Pretty hard to just watch without words! Thanx


The trick is not in the double thread, but in the crossings... different directions for taking a new stitch? You take it ones from under one thread and ones - from under the other. I can't really explain it with words, that is w2hy I tried to post all the pictures and video... unfortunately there is no video in english. And I can't find someone - at least so far - who would take a clip of me doing it...
Feb 29, 2012 10:29:35   #
courier770
 
I have never been able to explain in words how I do this cast on! Been doing it for over 45 years now. People watch me cast on and scratch their heads. The way I accomplish it is with two hands, the "tail" being worked with my right hand and the yarn coming from the skein with my left.

Then again the way I knit (Russian) confounds most people anyway.
Feb 29, 2012 14:59:37   #
HandyFamily
 
I am holding the needle with my right hand and making the loops / crosses with my left thumb... Close to what they show on the pictures; what is the way you knit anyway?
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