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Jun 25, 2012 19:56:04   #
peachy51
 
I started a new summer top last night. I think it's going to be a really easy knit since it is in the round and the armholes are finished as you go. So the only seams are the 3-point bindoff at the shoulders.

But, the pattern has me putting a knit stitch down each side which will end at the center of the bottom of the armhole and then make a phoney seam out of that stitch. I can't see the purpose of this. I guess it might add structure to an in-the-round garment knit out of lightweight yarn, but I'm using cotton for this one.

Have any of you used the phoney seam? If so, do you like the finished look? (I'm not particularly crazy with what it looks like.) What was your reasoning to do this?

In my research of this, I found that Elizabeth Zimmerman devised this technique because Vogue Knitting insisted that all garments have a side seam. If this is the only reason, then I'm not going to do it.

Any feedback :?:
 
Jun 25, 2012 20:03:06   #
Linday
 
I have never done it myself but like you have wondered why if it was only necessary to keep Vogue happy. I just read two articles that said the phoney seams add stability and keep the garment from twisting. With something like a summer top this may be necessary.
Jun 25, 2012 20:07:47   #
Yarn Happy
 
Here are their reasons, I don't think I would do it, I like not having a seam! Knitters choice.
http://www.cabinfever.ca/retailerstips2.html
Jun 25, 2012 20:59:15   #
Colorado knits
 
Linday wrote:
I have never done it myself but like you have wondered why if it was only necessary to keep Vogue happy. I just read two articles that said the phoney seams add stability and keep the garment from twisting. With something like a summer top this may be necessary.


I made a sweater a few years ago for my daughter -- Burly Traveler by Brown Sheep. The sides had these directions for the phoney seams with a stitch marker at the two sides:

Round 1 & 3: Knit
Round 2: Sl1 purlwise with yf; K1, repeat from * around [the * is missing but think it goes before the K1]
Round 4: *K1, Sl1 purlwise with yf; repeat from * around

I was happy with the results.

I wasn't completely happy as the sweater was a bit too small. She was inconsiderate and refused to shorten her arms and get a breast reduction. So, on Christmas day, we wound all the yarn into balls and later I made her another sweater.

:lol:
Jun 25, 2012 22:10:46   #
Joy Marshall
 
You are free to change the design of a garment any way you like. If you don't want to do the fake seam or don't like the look of it, just leave it out. The only useful purpose for it that I can see is it would mark the middle of the underarm.
Jun 26, 2012 05:56:42   #
darowil (a regular here)
 
[quote=Colorado knits][



I wasn't completely happy as the sweater was a bit too small. She was inconsiderate and refused to shorten her arms and get a breast reduction. So, on Christmas day, we wound all the yarn into balls and later I made her another sweater.

:lol:[/quote]

How inconsiderate of her- think of the lovely time you could have had if she'd let you.
 
Jun 26, 2012 06:47:40   #
mac.worrall (a regular here)
 
[quote=darowil][quote=Colorado knits][



I wasn't completely happy as the sweater was a bit too small. She was inconsiderate and refused to shorten her arms and get a breast reduction. So, on Christmas day, we wound all the yarn into balls and later I made her another sweater.

:lol:[/quote]

Thank you for the laugh,Colorado knits - I have a younger sister just like that.
Jun 26, 2012 07:15:56   #
ninabeanbag
 
Yarn Happy wrote:
Here are their reasons, I don't think I would do it, I like not having a seam! Knitters choice.
http://www.cabinfever.ca/retailerstips2.html


can't see the point of that...............
Jun 26, 2012 07:17:05   #
ninabeanbag
 
Colorado knits wrote:
Linday wrote:
I have never done it myself but like you have wondered why if it was only necessary to keep Vogue happy. I just read two articles that said the phoney seams add stability and keep the garment from twisting. With something like a summer top this may be necessary.


I made a sweater a few years ago for my daughter -- Burly Traveler by Brown Sheep. The sides had these directions for the phoney seams with a stitch marker at the two sides:

Round 1 & 3: Knit
Round 2: Sl1 purlwise with yf; K1, repeat from * around [the * is missing but think it goes before the K1]
Round 4: *K1, Sl1 purlwise with yf; repeat from * around

I was happy with the results.

I wasn't completely happy as the sweater was a bit too small. She was inconsiderate and refused to shorten her arms and get a breast reduction. So, on Christmas day, we wound all the yarn into balls and later I made her another sweater.

:lol:
quote=Linday I have never done it myself but like... (show quote)


lol........
Jun 26, 2012 08:32:35   #
hgayle
 
Children just have to be disagreeable, don't they?!
Jun 26, 2012 08:52:16   #
knitterlin
 
I wonder if we're knitting the same sweater right now??? I'm making a sleeveless, top-up, as well, with phony seams. I think it's just to give the sweater a little interest, and I like the look.
 
Jun 26, 2012 09:06:58   #
dotcarp2000
 
Colorado knits wrote:
Linday wrote:
I have never done it myself but like you have wondered why if it was only necessary to keep Vogue happy. I just read two articles that said the phoney seams add stability and keep the garment from twisting. With something like a summer top this may be necessary.


I made a sweater a few years ago for my daughter -- Burly Traveler by Brown Sheep. The sides had these directions for the phoney seams with a stitch marker at the two sides:

Round 1 & 3: Knit
Round 2: Sl1 purlwise with yf; K1, repeat from * around [the * is missing but think it goes before the K1]
Round 4: *K1, Sl1 purlwise with yf; repeat from * around

I was happy with the results.

I wasn't completely happy as the sweater was a bit too small. She was inconsiderate and refused to shorten her arms and get a breast reduction. So, on Christmas day, we wound all the yarn into balls and later I made her another sweater.

:lol:
quote=Linday I have never done it myself but like... (show quote)


you're a hoot !!!!!!! Imagine these kids--all you can do is hope she has an inconsiderate daughter some day :lol:
Jun 26, 2012 09:59:38   #
Joy Marshall
 
I am wondering, if it is desirable to put in phoney seams, why we take so much care, when sewing up our garments, to hide the seams?
Jun 26, 2012 10:08:35   #
DeeDeeF
 
I think I'd reasearch other, similar patterns without said seam!
Jun 26, 2012 13:20:54   #
yarnawhile (a regular here)
 
I think the heavier the yarn the more likely you are to need a phoney seam. I have only done it once, on a sweater for my SIL but I did it on the inside so it still has structure but doesn't show.
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