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Oct 31, 2014 19:39:08   #
Bonnniemay
 
I'm knitting a Bolero and the instructions for the sleeves just does not make sense to me. After the increases I have 31 sts and this is when I start pulling out my hair
row 22: p across tie off and hide string
row 23: on empty needle cast on 14 sts, continue work on the sleeve, K 12, *K2tog, K1, Rep from * to last 13 sts, K13 st, cast on 14 sts.
row 24: P across (74sts) I don't end up with 74 sts. If anybody can help me I thank you. You can find this pattern by typing in the web search Vintage Knit Bolero
 
Oct 31, 2014 19:43:52   #
Jessica-Jean (a regular here)
 
This one? http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/vintage-knit-bolero

The key to understanding this pattern is the word 'vintage'. Modern pattern terminology evolved to what it is. I would take the term 'tie off' to mean to bind off, and 'hide string' to mean to weave in that tail.
Oct 31, 2014 19:57:33   #
Bonnniemay
 
That's the one. I don't understand row 23 and row 24 says to P across 74 sts. Where do I get the 74 sts from.
Oct 31, 2014 20:12:32   #
Jessica-Jean (a regular here)
 
Bonnniemay wrote:
That's the one. I don't understand row 23 and row 24 says to P across 74 sts. Where do I get the 74 sts from.
Cast on: 25 sts.
Row 1: * K1, Inc, Rep from * to last st, K 1, (37 sts)
Row 2: P across.
Row 3: K2, Inc, K across, to last 3 sts, Inc, K2. (39 sts)
Row 4: P across.
Row 5-21: Rep row 4 and 5. (adding another two stitches for each pair of rows = (41 sts)
Rows 6 and7 = (43 sts)
Rows 8 and 9 = = (45 sts)
Rows 10 and 11 = (47 sts)
Rows 12 and 13 = (49 sts)
Rows 14 and 15 = (51 sts)
Rows 16 and 17 = (53 sts)
Rows 18 and 19 = (55 sts)
Rows 20 and 21 = (57 sts)
Row 22: P across tie off and hide string.
Row 23: On empty needle cast on 14 sts, Continue work on the sleeve, K12, * K2tog, K 1, Rep from * to last 13 sts, K13, Cast on 14 sts.
Row 24: P across. (74 sts)

If 'tie off and hide string' does not mean to bind off but just to cut the yarn, leaving live stitches on the needle, that leaves you with 57 stitches on the needle + 14 cast on at each end of needle ... does that work?

Good luck with your puzzle!
Oct 31, 2014 20:14:45   #
Moisey
 
I don't knit anymore, only crochet, but even I can see you
would only have 27 stitches on your needle, not 74 sts.
Maybe it is a typo, or even if knitting two sleeves at once
on same needle, you would only have 2 x 27 = 64sts so I give
up. The real knitting ladies here will help you I am sure.
You may just have to wing it & follow your own instincts
about how the sleeves reduce or increase to suit the size
you are knitting for. At this stage it looks like a mistake
to me.
Good luck,
Moisey
Oct 31, 2014 20:15:12   #
chickkie (a regular here)
 
how many stitches do you have when you break the yarn at the end of row 22? You don't cast the stitches off, you just break the yarn and continue. When you cast on the extra stitches you should have the amount (74) required.

your sleeve instructions say to increase on every second row so you should have 57 stitches before you cast on the extras (if I counted correctly)

I see Jessica Jean edited her post while I was counting on my fingers and toes :lol:
 
Oct 31, 2014 20:17:48   #
GrumpyGramma (a regular here)
 
That's cute.

Row 23: On empty needle cast on 14 sts, Continue work on the sleeve, K12, * K2tog, K 1, Rep from * to last 13 sts, K13, Cast on 14 sts.

In between the cast on stitches it seems you're working on existing sleeve stitches. Continue work on the sleeve, K12, * K2tog, K 1, Rep from * to last 13 sts, K13, I can't figure out how many sleeve stitches would be use IF that's what's going on.
Oct 31, 2014 20:20:54   #
chickkie (a regular here)
 
Moisey wrote:
I don't knit anymore, only crochet, but even I can see you
would only have 27 stitches on your needle, not 74 sts.
Maybe it is a typo, or even if knitting two sleeves at once
on same needle, you would only have 2 x 27 = 64sts so I give
up. The real knitting ladies here will help you I am sure.
You may just have to wing it & follow your own instincts
about how the sleeves reduce or increase to suit the size
you are knitting for. At this stage it looks like a mistake
to me.
Good luck,
Moisey
I don't knit anymore, only crochet, but even I can... (show quote)


where do you get the 27 stitches? It starts with 25 and by the end of the first row you have 37 and there is an increase of 2 every second row to row 21. Am I reading the pattern wrong?
Oct 31, 2014 20:25:18   #
GrumpyGramma (a regular here)
 
Jessica-Jean wrote:
Cast on: 25 sts.
Row 1: * K1, Inc, Rep from * to last st, K 1, (37 sts)
Row 2: P across.
Row 3: K2, Inc, K across, to last 3 sts, Inc, K2. (39 sts)
Row 4: P across.
Row 5-21: Rep row 4 and 5. (adding another two stitches for each pair of rows = (41 sts)
Rows 6 and7 = (43 sts)
Rows 8 and 9 = = (45 sts)
Rows 10 and 11 = (47 sts)
Rows 12 and 13 = (49 sts)
Rows 14 and 15 = (51 sts)
Rows 16 and 17 = (53 sts)
Rows 18 and 19 = (55 sts)
Rows 20 and 21 = (57 sts)
Row 22: P across tie off and hide string.
Row 23: On empty needle cast on 14 sts, Continue work on the sleeve, K12, * K2tog, K 1, Rep from * to last 13 sts, K13, Cast on 14 sts.
Row 24: P across. (74 sts)

If 'tie off and hide string' does not mean to bind off but just to cut the yarn, leaving live stitches on the needle, that leaves you with 57 stitches on the needle + 14 cast on at each end of needle ... does that work?

Good luck with your puzzle!
Cast on: b 25 sts /b . br Row 1: * K1, Inc, Rep f... (show quote)


Brilliant. I think you done got it figgered out. While I was counting on my fingers and toes. lol
;-)
Oct 31, 2014 20:29:40   #
GrumpyGramma (a regular here)
 
Would it work to cast on 14 sts at the end of the purl row, turn work across as instructed, cast on the other 14 and turn?
Oct 31, 2014 20:31:43   #
Jessica-Jean (a regular here)
 
GrumpyGramma wrote:
Would it work to cast on 14 sts at the end of the purl row, turn work across as instructed, cast on the other 14 and turn?
That would add an extra row on one side. Depending on the yarn, it might or might not make any difference.
 
Oct 31, 2014 20:38:27   #
Hilary4 (a regular here)
 
Cast on: 25 sts.
Row 1: * K1, Inc, Rep from * to last st, K 1, (37 sts)
Row 2: P across.
Row 3: K2, Inc, K across, to last 3 sts, Inc, K2. 39
Row 4: P across.
Row 5-21: Rep row 4 and 5. Presume they mean rows 3 and 4, 57 sts
Row 22: P across tie off and hide string. I believe this actually means to cut off the working yarn (not cast-off).

Row 23: On empty needle cast on 14 sts, Continue work on the sleeve, join these up to the 57 sts of the sleeve: K12, * K2tog, K 1, Rep from * to last 13 sts, K13, This doesn't quite work here: 57 - 12 - 13 = 32 which isn't divisible by 3, so do *K2tog, K 1* x 11 (33 down to 22) and finish with K12 Cast on 14 sts.
Row 24: P across. (74 sts)

It is Row 27 where I hit the wall:
Row 27: K2, *K2tog, Rep across to last 3 sts, K3 (56 sts).

If you are to end up with 56 sts then the * is in the wrong place, it should read:
Row 27: *K2, K2tog, Rep across to last 3 sts, K2 (56 sts).
Oct 31, 2014 20:43:22   #
chickkie (a regular here)
 
Hilary4, I think you missed an increase ... there should be 57 sts at the end of row 21
Oct 31, 2014 20:44:23   #
Hilary4 (a regular here)
 
chickkie wrote:
Hilary4, I think you missed an increase ... there should be 57 sts at the end of row 21


Yes, I got caught in the miss-numbering of the rows, just edited that as you posted.
Oct 31, 2014 20:46:10   #
Jessica-Jean (a regular here)
 
It just occurred to me that the instructions are flawed.
How can you repeat row 5 when there are no instructions given for row 5 in the first place??

Row 3: K2, Inc, K across, to last 3 sts, Inc, K2.
Row 4: P across.
Row 5-21: Rep row 4 and 5.


So ... I'm thinking it's rows 3 and 4 that are supposed to be repeated. Someone else can re-do the math.
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