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Dec 6, 2014 15:33:36   #
alegar75
 
I am knitting my first Xmas stocking on circular needles and am at the toes. I have no idea what to do I have 60 stitches on have no idea how to finish as below directions are not clear. Can someone help by translating this into simple language? Below are the instructions and below that my confusion. Thank you a million times for any insight on how to finish this.


Begin knitting around on the circular needle again keeping in the pattern. Knit about 4 inches for the foot (24 rows) and begin the toe.

I changed to the white at this point so you could easily see. Switch to double pointed needles and knit 15 stitches on the first needle, then knit 15, place marker, knit 15 on the next needle and knit 15 on the last needle.

Row 1:
Now on first needle knit 1 and decrease on next two stitches by slipping next stitch, knitting a stitch and passing the slip stitch over knit stitch (psso), knit to 3 stitches before the next marker. Knit 2 together, knit 1, slip marker, knit 1 and psso by slipping stitch, knitting stitch and passing the slip stitch over knit stitch. Then knit to last 3 stitches on third needle and knit 2 together and knit 1.

Row 2: Knit all around without any decreases.


Repeat these two rows until 36 stitches remain. Then decrease every row until 20 total stitches remain. Next knit stitches on 1 needle and to marker on 2 needle. With another needle knit what is left on 2 needle and all on 3rd needle. There will be 10 stitches on each needle.


I am confused on this:
When starting the toe, do you knit onto 4 or 3 dpn? Also I notices there are 2 markers in the first set of directions for row 1, but I only see in the directions about switching to dpn's where one marker is placed.

AND This is confusing.

"Row 1:
Now on first needle knit 1 and decrease on next two stitches by slipping next stitch, knitting a stitch and passing the knit stitch over slipped stitch (psso), knit to 3 stitches before the next marker. Knit 2 together, knit 1, slip marker, knit 1 and psso. Then knit to last 3 stitches on third needle and knit 2 together and knit 1."

For the Knit 2 together, knit 1, slip marker, knit 1 and psso.... I am confused on the PSSO. We didn't slip a stitch here, so what stitch are you passing over? This may be a silly question but wanted to make sure I get it right.
 
Dec 6, 2014 15:47:49   #
knitgogi
 
I think it may be one of two things.

1. Could it just be a typo and could she mean to slip the stitch instead of the marker? You might be able to figure it out by counting in your head how that would turn out if you did it that way across the row.

or

2. When she says psso, and you haven't slipped any stitches, could she mean for that to actually mean at this point you are to slip one, knit one a then pass the slipped stitch over? (So could this psso actually stand for 2 stitches she didn't actually mention? Again, counting it out might tell you if that would work out or not.)

I tend to think it's the first one I mentioned.
Dec 6, 2014 15:51:46   #
alegar75
 
She refers to markers and there is only one marker. I have no idea what she means. So when do I start knitting two together and where? Sorry just confused.
Dec 6, 2014 15:58:01   #
JTM (a regular here)
 
Is there a link to the pattern??? That might help us give you a good answer.
Dec 6, 2014 16:01:58   #
knitgogi
 
alegar75 wrote:
She refers to markers and there is only one marker. I have no idea what she means. So when do I start knitting two together and where? Sorry just confused.


Then maybe the error, if there is one, is that she had intended to tell you to place a marker at the end of each 15 sts. on each needle, or at least more than just the one she mentioned.

But JTM is right, being able to look at the whole pattern might help those who really know about this tell you what she means (I've never done a stocking). Sometimes there is info in the intro that explains stuff that is said or even left out in the main pattern directions part. You just never know.
Dec 6, 2014 16:04:46   #
knitgogi
 
Having the pattern link may also help someone find a link to an errata page, if there is one.
 
Dec 6, 2014 16:06:31   #
dachsmom
 
I think you only are knitting onto three dpn. Seems like you knit 15 on first needle; on second needle knit 15, place marker, knit 15; knit 15 on the third needle. You will use the fourth needle to knit the stitches off of these. I don't think you need any other markers at this point
Dec 6, 2014 16:11:42   #
knitgogi
 
dachsmom wrote:
I think you only are knitting onto three dpn. Seems like you knit 15 on first needle; on second needle knit 15, place marker, knit 15; knit 15 on the third needle. You will use the fourth needle to knit the stitches off of these. I don't think you need any other markers at this point


Maybe, except that she said she had 60 stitches, so 3 needles x15 would be only 45 sts. 4 needles x 15 would be 60 sts. Sounds like she needs a set of 5, but I'm not too experienced with double points and no experience with socks/stockings, so what do I know. Probably shouldn't even be weighing in. :oops:
Dec 6, 2014 16:14:18   #
alegar75
 
Thank You! Below is the pattern. Am not sure there is a link. A friend passed this on to me. Thank you so very, very much.

Basic knitted Stocking I made for a sample.

This is a basic pattern that I created. From this pattern you can put in any design as long as it fits. It can be striped or solid. I use graph paper and chart out what designs I want to use.
Basic Knitted Christmas Stocking Pattern.

Size 8 Circular Knitting Needle
I like the 12 inch circular but a 16 inch may work. As long as the stitches fit without pulling. It was made with a worsted weight yarn. You can also use 4 double pointed needles. This pattern doesn't have a seam.

Cast On 60 Stitches

Knit 1, Purl 1 in ribbing for 5 rows.

Then knit around for 9 rows ( placing a marker to mark the beginning of the round). This is the area where you will place the name later. It is the white area in the stocking above.

Next knit round and round for 70 rows (this stocking has 69 rows because that is how the pattern worked out) or desired length to the heel. I like to mark off each row to keep track of the rows. It is easy with stripes because you just count the stripes.


Here you can see the ribbing, the area for a name, the marker and the snowflake pattern.

Now it's time for the heel. Using a double pointed needle, Knit 30 for the heel. Leave the rest of the stitches on the circular to work later for the foot. Work back and forth on two needles.


This is the short row method, but there are other methods for turning heels. Use the method you prefer. This is a Christmas Stocking so the heel is for shaping instead of actually fitting a foot.

Slip the first stitch and knit to 1 before the end.
Turn, slip the first stitch, purl to 1 before the end.

Turn, slip the first stitch, knit to 2 before the end.
Turn, slip the first stitch, purl to 2 before the end.

Continue in this manner until you have 9 stitches on each side, ending with the purl row.

Now you have to put the stitches back. Beginning with the knit row, slip the first stitch, knit to one stitch before the gap (you will be able to see the space), slip the stitch before the gap, pick up the bar between the gap and put it on the right needle. Knit the slipped stitch and the picked bar together. You have closed the gap on the right side.

Turn and slip the first stitch, purl to one stitch before the gap, slip the stitch before the gap, pick up the bar between the gap and put on needle. Purl the slipped stitch and the picked up bar together. This closes the gap on the left side.

Continue until all 30 stitches are on the needle with no gaps.


This is how the short row heel will look.

Begin knitting around on the circular needle again keeping in the pattern. Knit about 4 inches for the foot (24 rows) and begin the toe.

I changed to the white at this point so you could easily see. Switch to double pointed needles and knit 15 stitches on the first needle, then knit 15, place marker, knit 15 on the next needle and knit 15 on the last needle.

Row 1:
Now on first needle knit 1 and decrease on next two stitches by slipping next stitch, knitting a stitch and passing the slip stitch over knit stitch (psso), knit to 3 stitches before the next marker. Knit 2 together, knit 1, slip marker, knit 1 and psso by slipping stitch, knitting stitch and passing the slip stitch over knit stitch. Then knit to last 3 stitches on third needle and knit 2 together and knit 1.

Row 2: Knit all around without any decreases.

Repeat these two rows until 36 stitches remain. Then decrease every row until 20 total stitches remain. Next knit stitches on 1 needle and to marker on 2 needle. With another needle knit what is left on 2 needle and all on 3rd needle. There will be 10 stitches on each needle.



Toe completed and ready to close with the kitchener stitch.

The kitchener stitch is just 4 steps. Cut a length of yarn from the piece you have been knitting with.

1. Hold the two layers together with the purl sides facing each other (like the photo above). Thread the yarn through a yarn needle and insert the needle through the first stitch in front needle as if to knit. Pulling the yarn through the stitch, slip the stitch off the needle.

2. Insert the yarn needle through the second stitch of the front needle as if to purl; draw yarn through but leave stitch on needle.

3. Insert the yarn needle through the first stitch of back needle as if to purl; pull through the stitch and slip stitch off.

4. Insert the yarn needle through second stitch of back needle as if to knit; draw yarn through but leave stitch on needle.


Short row heel and finished closed toe.

The last thing to do is weave in all the loose ends of yarn and duplicate stitch the name in the white area.

I am not a professional pattern writer, so if anyone sees an error or has a question, please let me know.
Dec 6, 2014 16:22:47   #
dachsmom
 
Here's the way I would do the decreases
Round 1: on needle one, knit 1, slip one,knit 1, psso. Knit remaining stitches on needle one. Needle two, knit 12,knit 2 tog,knit 1,slip marker, knit 1, slip one, psso. Knit remaining stitches on that needle. Needle 3, knit 12, knit 2tog, knit 1. This decreases 4 st per round. So after 6 decrease rows you will have 36. I think she just left out the slipped stitch on the second one.
Dec 6, 2014 16:24:02   #
knitgogi
 
Well, now I do see where you might have two markers after all. I would suppose the first marker would be the marker that marks the beginning of each round. I wonder if you forgot to put that back on when you put the stitches back on the circular??? Then the second marker would be the one she told you to place in that section of the pattern that you originally posted.

It sounds like this is a friend who did this for you. Wondering if you could just call or email/pm/whatever her. A lot of times people make mistakes in writing out a pattern, even experienced pattern makers, but especially someone who is not used to doing it.
 
Dec 6, 2014 16:26:03   #
azmoonbugs
 
alegar75 wrote:
I am knitting my first Xmas stocking on circular needles and am at the toes. I have no idea what to do I have 60 stitches on have no idea how to finish as below directions are not clear. Can someone help by translating this into simple language? Below are the instructions and below that my confusion. Thank you a million times for any insight on how to finish this.


Begin knitting around on the circular needle again keeping in the pattern. Knit about 4 inches for the foot (24 rows) and begin the toe.

I changed to the white at this point so you could easily see. Switch to double pointed needles and knit 15 stitches on the first needle, then knit 15, place marker, knit 15 on the next needle and knit 15 on the last needle.

Row 1:
Now on first needle knit 1 and decrease on next two stitches by slipping next stitch, knitting a stitch and passing the slip stitch over knit stitch (psso), knit to 3 stitches before the next marker. Knit 2 together, knit 1, slip marker, knit 1 and psso by slipping stitch, knitting stitch and passing the slip stitch over knit stitch. Then knit to last 3 stitches on third needle and knit 2 together and knit 1.

Row 2: Knit all around without any decreases.


Repeat these two rows until 36 stitches remain. Then decrease every row until 20 total stitches remain. Next knit stitches on 1 needle and to marker on 2 needle. With another needle knit what is left on 2 needle and all on 3rd needle. There will be 10 stitches on each needle.
I am knitting my first Xmas stocking on circular n... (show quote)


This is what I would do: I would put 30 stitches on one needle, and 15 on needles 2 and 3. This makes needle 1 the top of the foot and needle 2 and 3 are the bottom of the foot.

Your decrease is k1, sl1, psso then knit the rest of the stitches on needle on until you get to the last 3 stitches; then k2 tog and then k1.

then do the k1, sl1, psso then knit the rest of the stitches on needle 2 and 3 until you get to the last 3 stitches on needle 3; then k2 tog and then k1.

What this will be is a double decrease on each side of the foot-- needle 1 is the top of the foot and needle 2 and 3 are the bottom of the foot.

alternate this decrease row with a plain knit row until you are down to 36 stitches until you have 18 stitches on needle 1 and 9 stitches each on 2 and 3.

Then decrease every row until 20 total stitches remain.

Then slip the stitches from needle 3 to the end of needle 2-- you will have 10 stitches on each needle. Then Kitchener stitch the stitches from needle 1 to the stitches from needle 2 to finish off the toe.
Dec 6, 2014 16:34:35   #
Nanknit
 
It looks like you use a set of 4 DPNs....3 to hold the stitches and one to knit with. Needle one has 15 stitches, needle two has 30 stitches (knit 15, place a marker and knit 15) needle three has 15 stitches.
I think there is a typo on row 1 of the toe on needle two..the one with 30 stitches. Where it says to slip marker the next stitch should be knitted then slip the next stitch, knit the next stitch and then pass the slipped stitch over. That evens up the decreases on either side of the marker and also has a K1 either side of the marker on needle two. This is the way I read it, hope it helps you.
Dec 6, 2014 16:53:38   #
alegar75
 
Thank you....no it is not a friend who did it for me. It is a friend who had an acquaintance whose mother passed the pattern.

I wish I could call her. Am going to try Knitgoggi's suggestion though. That makes sense. And yes, I see where you are talking about two markers. That too makes sense. Thank you so very much.
Dec 6, 2014 16:55:10   #
alegar75
 
Thank you very much! I will try this right now.
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