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Dec 29, 2017 18:09:34   #
engblom
 
As earlier said, I am new to knitting and there are so many things to explore. Right now I am knitting my 3:rd pair of socks, but already I am planning future projects.

I want to create the most comfortable socks, so I want your experience to affect my choice for my next project by answering the following questions:

1. If you have made different kind of heels, tell me which ones you have tried and which one you found most comfortable?
2. Which of the heels you mentioned in question 1 do you consider most beautiful?

3. If you have made different kind of toes, tell me which ones you have tried and which one you found most comfortable?
4. Which of the toes you mentioned in question 3 do you consider most beautiful?

5. What short rows methods have you used, and which one produces the best result of these?
 
Dec 29, 2017 18:19:46   #
jvallas
 
You know the answer that’s coming, right? It’s a really individual choice.

For ease of knitting, my preference is a German short row heel and toe (done pretty much identically). For comfort, I might actually prefer a standard flap heel because of the cushioning. For beauty, I’m not sure I have a preference. It’s more about the overall look of the sock to me. I do like a toe that’s more rounded, so I guess short rowing wins there for me, rather than the increase/decrease method a lot of people use.

And now you’ll get a bunch of different opinions! Trial and error research on different types would probably be good. And good practice, too!
Dec 29, 2017 18:23:42   #
chickkie (a regular here)
 
Beautiful as far a preference is not something I worry about with socks. I worry about fit and comfort. I prefer afterthought heel, and toe up starting with the Turkish cast on, for those two reasons.
Dec 29, 2017 18:30:47   #
engblom
 
If you have tried all three of German short row, shadow wrap short row (aka fish lip kiss) and Japanese short row, which one do you think produces the most beautiful seam in a heel? Which one the most comfortable?

If you do a toe up sock, what toes do you think looks better: one made with increases or one made with short rows?
Dec 29, 2017 18:47:59   #
sritchie171
 
I found the Seam Free Rounded Toe on Ravelry. That's the one I use now, but with some additional increases each increase row. I also found Toe Up Waffle Sock pattern, and that's the heel I use. Short row, no wraps. And, because I only make socks for me, I start 2x2 ribbing on the instep after the toe increases.
Dec 29, 2017 18:52:14   #
jvallas
 
A nice all-around sock with comfy ribbing on the instep and a sort of Fleegle-like heel that fits comfortably: https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/straight-up-socks.
 
Dec 30, 2017 06:53:37   #
JTM (a regular here)
 
engblom wrote:
As earlier said, I am new to knitting and there are so many things to explore. Right now I am knitting my 3:rd pair of socks, but already I am planning future projects.

I want to create the most comfortable socks, so I want your experience to affect my choice for my next project by answering the following questions:

1. If you have made different kind of heels, tell me which ones you have tried and which one you found most comfortable?
2. Which of the heels you mentioned in question 1 do you consider most beautiful?

3. If you have made different kind of toes, tell me which ones you have tried and which one you found most comfortable?
4. Which of the toes you mentioned in question 3 do you consider most beautiful?

5. What short rows methods have you used, and which one produces the best result of these?
As earlier said, I am new to knitting and there ar... (show quote)


1, 2 and 3. I have tried Sweet Tomato Heel (too rounded and more annoying to do since I knit using Magic Loop technique...with half stitches on each side of the cable), Faux flap heel (just not my favorite look or fit), Wrap & Turn short row heel ... does not look as good to me as the Fish Lips Kiss Heel... My very favorite heel for both looks and fit. I have also used a M1 style (no W&T)

2. I have tried the Figure 8 cast on... and found it more fiddly than my favorite Jucy's Magic Cast On.... which actually gives a "knit" row as the cast on.
Dec 30, 2017 12:08:02   #
engblom
 
The seam free rounded toe (https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/seam-free-rounded-toe-for-a-toe-up-sock) looks good. Does anyone have a ready adaption for 48 stitches (knitted with 3.5mm pins)?
Dec 30, 2017 12:51:37   #
JTM (a regular here)
 
engblom wrote:
The seam free rounded toe (https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/seam-free-rounded-toe-for-a-toe-up-sock) looks good. Does anyone have a ready adaption for 48 stitches (knitted with 3.5mm pins)?


I do a rounded toe as well... Try the Lifestyle Toe Up Sock pattern... will teach you how to do the "knit to fit"... for perfectly fitting socks every time no matter what weight yarn/needle combination you choose.
http://charisa-martin.livejournal.com/16895.html
I have not used such thick yarn/needle combination since my very first sock ... to learn construction of a sock. I did one pair in worsted weight/US 5 (3.75 mm) then a pair in DK weight/US 4 (3.5 mm) Now only use fingering weight yarn/US 1 or 1.5 (2.25 or 2.5 mm). I knit socks for family and friends from ladies US size 5 shoe to Men's US size 11.5 and many of the sizes in between. Always knit toe up and TAAT, using Magic Loop technique. Well over 35 pairs a year (to be sure to get all the family and friends done in time for Christmas)
Dec 30, 2017 18:25:39   #
engblom
 
I have decided. For the next pair of socks I will try to adopt the seam free rounded toe and then I will try to make a Fleegle's heel.

The biggest challenge with Fleegle's heel is going to be to find the exact spot for beginning the increases before the heel. I do not want a too long or too short sock. From the photos of the ready socks it looks like I should have the full foot length when I begin turning the heel, is that right? I will probably have to measure from my other sock projects how much each row adds to the length and doing some maths.
Dec 30, 2017 18:56:37   #
Nanamel14 (a regular here)
 
I like to knit my socks toe-up 2 at a time magic loop, I use a 1.50mm-2.25mm needle's depending on sock yarn thickness (they all vary slightly) I like to do Judy's magic cast on and love the Fish Lips Kiss heel it works so well for me....I now also always use the twin stitch for all my short rows for other items now
 
Dec 30, 2017 19:04:24   #
engblom
 
I have made two full pair of socks so far. First was cuff down with heel flap. Second pair was cuff down FLKH. Right now I am working on toe up socks with FLKH. While I am working on these socks I begun wearing the FLKH socks I had earlier finished and I noticed the heel flap socks are slightly more comfortable. This makes me think Fleegle's heel will fit me better for a toe up sock.
Dec 30, 2017 19:56:14   #
GrumpyGramma (a regular here)
 
engblom wrote:
I have decided. For the next pair of socks I will try to adopt the seam free rounded toe and then I will try to make a Fleegle's heel.

The biggest challenge with Fleegle's heel is going to be to find the exact spot for beginning the increases before the heel. I do not want a too long or too short sock. From the photos of the ready socks it looks like I should have the full foot length when I begin turning the heel, is that right? I will probably have to measure from my other sock projects how much each row adds to the length and doing some maths.
I have decided. For the next pair of socks I will ... (show quote)


Quote:
Continue stockinette stitch . . . until the sock reaches the point where your leg connects to your foot.
from FLEEGLE'S BLOG
That's for a standard gusset, I start sooner for mine. Liat Gat has videos for most things sock related including this.
Dec 31, 2017 11:04:25   #
JTM (a regular here)
 
engblom wrote:
I have made two full pair of socks so far. First was cuff down with heel flap. Second pair was cuff down FLKH. Right now I am working on toe up socks with FLKH. While I am working on these socks I begun wearing the FLKH socks I had earlier finished and I noticed the heel flap socks are slightly more comfortable. This makes me think Fleegle's heel will fit me better for a toe up sock.


It is also possible to use the FLKHeel and add any amount of stitches necessary to fit a high instep ... for a gusset, even a small amount of extra stitches ... like a total of only 2 extra stitches can be added for a mini gusset. ... still using the Fish Lips Kiss Heel for the heel turn.
 
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