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Dec 11, 2018 11:56:44   #
engblom
 
I had an idea today. I wonder if it would be possible to create a heel flap by doing a m1 1-2 stitches before the turn and then to do a short row turn leaving one stitch for each row. This means the stitches are ready "picked up" on the sides of the flap. Has anyone been trying this?
 
Dec 11, 2018 12:12:09   #
klrober
 
Have not heard of this but give it a try & see how it goes....
Dec 11, 2018 13:20:58   #
GrumpyGramma (a regular here)
 
Why not just continue knitting in the round and increase for on either side of the "flap" portion, turn the heel, decrease back to the number of stitches you started with. It's often called a faux heel flap and is more commonly used on toe up socks but works for cuff down too. Usually the decreases are done at the ends of the needle holding the heel stitches.
Dec 11, 2018 13:42:32   #
engblom
 
GrumpyGramma wrote:
Why not just continue knitting in the round and increase for on either side of the "flap" portion, turn the heel, decrease back to the number of stitches you started with. It's often called a faux heel flap and is more commonly used on toe up socks but works for cuff down too. Usually the decreases are done at the ends of the needle holding the heel stitches.


I have done one pair with faux heel. Now I am thinking about ways to create a faux heel flap with most of the stitches rather than half of the stitches. I mean to create a heel similar to the one in this pattern: https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/albion-3

Of course it is not too difficult to pick up the stitches in the traditional way... and it is safe and well tried. My first pair of socks were with a traditional heel flap. But it would be interesting to try something new and before spending hours experimenting I just want to get some input on the idea to see if someone already tried it.
Dec 11, 2018 15:19:38   #
Yarn Happy
 
Sounds a lot like my favorite sock pattern, it is the faux heel pattern from knitfreedom.com. This pattern makes a great fitting sock, I adjusted it a little on the short rows, I changed to German short row method instead of wrap & turns.
Dec 11, 2018 18:51:13   #
GrumpyGramma (a regular here)
 
engblom wrote:
I have done one pair with faux heel. Now I am thinking about ways to create a faux heel flap with most of the stitches rather than half of the stitches. I mean to create a heel similar to the one in this pattern: https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/albion-3

Of course it is not too difficult to pick up the stitches in the traditional way... and it is safe and well tried. My first pair of socks were with a traditional heel flap. But it would be interesting to try something new and before spending hours experimenting I just want to get some input on the idea to see if someone already tried it.
I have done one pair with faux heel. Now I am thin... (show quote)


That's an interesting heel. The only way I could really understand the construction is to work through it pretty much as the pattern says too. I'd try it on thicker yarn first.

Now I have some nebulous idea of working most of the stitches and leaving one at each end of the needle(s), working fewer stitches each row, and doing a triangle shaped flap .... and there's where I'm stuck. lol
 
Dec 12, 2018 01:35:14   #
engblom
 
GrumpyGramma wrote:

Now I have some nebulous idea of working most of the stitches and leaving one at each end of the needle(s), working fewer stitches each row, and doing a triangle shaped flap .... and there's where I'm stuck. lol

My idea was to compensate the loss of one stitch with a m1 right before doing the short row turn in order to have a square shaped flap. I realized I do not need to knit a full sock for testing, I can just knit a standalone "flap" and then check if there is any extra holes with this technique comparing to picking up the stitches in the normal way.
Dec 12, 2018 02:28:04   #
GrumpyGramma (a regular here)
 
engblom wrote:
My idea was to compensate the loss of one stitch with a m1 right before doing the short row turn in order to have a square shaped flap. I realized I do not need to knit a full sock for testing, I can just knit a standalone "flap" and then check if there is any extra holes with this technique comparing to picking up the stitches in the normal way.


The penny drops. I now understand what you're wanting to do. Yeah, try it. If you don't like it for a sock you might use it somewhere else. I believe it was a Lucy Neatby video I saw once where she held a yo from the end of each row on a pocket for using to attach it later. Don't count on that being right but I'm pretty sure there was a yo held on a dpn or something. If you happen across the video on youtube would you let me know? I would love to watch it again. I just don't know which one it was or what she was showing so I've no idea of a name for the video. I hate when that happens. Now I might try to find it. If I do I'll let you know.
Dec 12, 2018 05:25:54   #
tstramel
 
I recently found this heel and really like it. You do m1 increases then to turn heel do short rows. No picking up for gusset it is built in.
http://fibercampboston.pbworks.com/f/Strong+Heel+Instructions.pdf
Dec 12, 2018 07:31:25   #
B4
 
GrumpyGramma wrote:
The penny drops. I now understand what you're wanting to do. Yeah, try it. If you don't like it for a sock you might use it somewhere else. I believe it was a Lucy Neatby video I saw once where she held a yo from the end of each row on a pocket for using to attach it later. Don't count on that being right but I'm pretty sure there was a yo held on a dpn or something. If you happen across the video on youtube would you let me know? I would love to watch it again. I just don't know which one it was or what she was showing so I've no idea of a name for the video. I hate when that happens. Now I might try to find it. If I do I'll let you know.
The penny drops. I now understand what you're wan... (show quote)


Good morning Grumpy Gramma, I just typed in Lucy Neatby video's and I think the one you want is called No-Sew knitted pocket, she is sitting outside and she use's small sticks to hold the stitches on the side of the pocket.
Dec 12, 2018 08:30:35   #
gramadoris
 
There is a wonderful pattern online for free. It's available in both worsted and sock weight. I had made lots of socks from top down and did pretty good job so didn't want to try this new pattern but it works up in about half as much time and is so much easier. I love it! It starts with Judy's Magic cast-on and has the no-holes Fleegle heel and a new to me kind of bind-off that is not tight on leg but keeps them up. This is supposed to be done with Magic Loop needle but I use a 29 inch cable. It's long enough and there's not so much cable to deal with. Type in search for pattern for Judy'S Magic cast-on and I think it came from Knit Freedom. Good luck!
 
Dec 12, 2018 08:35:02   #
jodajasa
 
I must try this! Thank you!!
Dec 12, 2018 08:40:58   #
gramadoris
 
There is great pattern available online for free. I think it came from Knit Freedom. In search, ask for Judys Magic cast on and Fleegle heel. Learn the special cast on, and the flexible cast off. They are toe up and take about half the time as the old way. I didn't want to learn all this new stuff but am so glad I did. They call for a 46 inch cable needle but I use 29 inch one and there's less cable to deal with. I do not make two at a time. That would drive me crazy.
Dec 12, 2018 08:48:52   #
cball1474
 
tstramel wrote:
I recently found this heel and really like it. You do m1 increases then to turn heel do short rows. No picking up for gusset it is built in.
http://fibercampboston.pbworks.com/f/Strong+Heel+Instructions.pdf


Oh wow, I am blown away! I have to try that heel. I am okay at picking up sts, but I get mixed up as to which direction to go (I use a crochet hook to pick them up) and end up with bumpy heel sides. Thanks for sharing this.
Dec 12, 2018 08:59:50   #
gramadoris
 
Try it all, so much easier. I can't quit knitting, even tho my hands are sore, ha. I prefer making socks with finer yarn and this is so much fun!
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