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Dec 22, 2018 09:03:43   #
beanscene (a regular here)
 
and swatching before starting my Throwback

https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/the-throwback

Pattern calls for a gauge of 18.5sts to 4 inches on 5mm needles and yarn suggests 5mm needles in order to get 18 sts to 4 inches. First swatch I did was 17 sts to 4 inches on 5mm needles before soaking and blocking and stayed the same after blocking too. I usually have to go down a needle size so pretty much as expected. However, second attempt using 4.5mm needles produced a swatch of 16sts to 4 inches blocked and unblocked and my next attempt on the 4.5 needle was also 16 sts to 4 inches. So now I’m bamboozled and not sure what needle size to try next.....any suggestions gratefully received, thank you.
 
Dec 22, 2018 09:14:32   #
deenashoemaker
 
To swatch, make it 6x6 and measure the center 4x4 for an accurate gauge. The outer stitches tend to stretch.
Dec 22, 2018 09:22:04   #
Knit crazy
 
You need to go up (not down) in needle size to get the gauge you are seeking or add stitches to the pattern. The yarn may be finer than the yarn used in the pattern. Usually, I just add stitches. For example, if I find a pattern that calls for DK yarn, but want to use fingering yarn instead, I get my swatch gauge, and then add the stitch difference per inch to the pattern. It always turns out well.
Dec 22, 2018 09:25:58   #
knit4ES (a regular here)
 
Keep going down a needle size until you achieve stitch gauge.
Or, do the math to adjust the pattern to your personal stitch gauge
It is odd that you are getting even fewer stitches on a smaller needle... you should be getting more stitches
Dec 22, 2018 09:26:53   #
beanscene (a regular here)
 
Knit crazy wrote:
You need to go up (not down) in needle size to get the gauge you are seeking or add stitches to the pattern. The yarn may be finer than the yarn used in the pattern. Usually, I just add stitches. For example, if I find a pattern that calls for DK yarn, but want to use fingering yarn instead, I get my swatch gauge, and then add the stitch difference per inch to the pattern. It always turns out well.


Thank you!
Dec 22, 2018 09:27:32   #
fergablu2
 
Knit crazy wrote:
You need to go up (not down) in needle size to get the gauge you are seeking or add stitches to the pattern. The yarn may be finer than the yarn used in the pattern. Usually, I just add stitches. For example, if I find a pattern that calls for DK yarn, but want to use fingering yarn instead, I get my swatch gauge, and then add the stitch difference per inch to the pattern. It always turns out well.


If she’s getting too few stitches per inch, making larger stitches with a bigger needle will make even fewer stitches.
 
Dec 22, 2018 09:29:06   #
beanscene (a regular here)
 
knit4ES wrote:
Keep going down a needle size until you achieve stitch gauge.
Or, do the math to adjust the pattern to your personal stitch gauge
It is odd that you are getting even fewer stitches on a smaller needle... you should be getting more stitches


That’s what is confusing me.....it’s aran weight yarn so really needs to be on reasonable sized needles. I just don’t get why I have fewer stitches on smaller needles 🤷‍♀️
Dec 22, 2018 09:31:00   #
beanscene (a regular here)
 
fergablu2 wrote:
If she’s getting too few stitches per inch, making larger stitches with a bigger needle will make even fewer stitches.


Agree! And that’s why I don’t understand getting 17 sts on 5mm needles and 16 on 4.5mm needles 🤷‍♀️
Dec 22, 2018 09:31:35   #
beanscene (a regular here)
 
deenashoemaker wrote:
To swatch, make it 6x6 and measure the center 4x4 for an accurate gauge. The outer stitches tend to stretch.


Yes, I did that and a garter stitch border of 4 stitches on each side.
Dec 22, 2018 09:33:04   #
fergablu2
 
beanscene wrote:
That’s what is confusing me.....it’s aran weight yarn so really needs to be on reasonable sized needles. I just don’t get why I have fewer stitches on smaller needles 🤷‍♀️


Are you stressing about it? You could try again later, try a larger swatch, or keep trying with smaller needles. It doesn’t matter what size you use, as long as you get gauge.
Dec 22, 2018 09:35:21   #
beanscene (a regular here)
 
fergablu2 wrote:
Are you stressing about it? You could try again later, try a larger swatch, or keep trying with smaller needles. It doesn’t matter what size you use, as long as you get gauge.


Yes, I am stressing about it now and have put it away til after Christmas. But it is nagging away at me.....
 
Dec 22, 2018 09:41:30   #
deenashoemaker
 
beanscene wrote:
Yes, I did that and a garter stitch border of 4 stitches on each side.


👍
Dec 22, 2018 09:43:44   #
fergablu2
 
beanscene wrote:
Yes, I am stressing about it now and have put it away til after Christmas. But it is nagging away at me.....


Stress usually makes my gauge tighter. If you have a pet, trying petting him or her before knitting. It lowers your blood pressure and reduces stress.
Dec 22, 2018 09:58:15   #
beanscene (a regular here)
 
fergablu2 wrote:
Stress usually makes my gauge tighter. If you have a pet, trying petting him or her before knitting. It lowers your blood pressure and reduces stress.


I wasn’t stressed when I was knitting only afterwards when I was counting! ! Knitting usually calms me.........
Dec 22, 2018 10:07:04   #
JTM (a regular here)
 
Knit crazy wrote:
You need to go up (not down) in needle size to get the gauge you are seeking or add stitches to the pattern. The yarn may be finer than the yarn used in the pattern. Usually, I just add stitches. For example, if I find a pattern that calls for DK yarn, but want to use fingering yarn instead, I get my swatch gauge, and then add the stitch difference per inch to the pattern. It always turns out well.


If you go up in needle size, you will surely get even fewer stitches per inch. When knitting a gauge swatch, it should always be at least 6x6 inches in size, with the outer edge stitches in garter stitch... Measure the 4x4 inches in the center of the swatch. The edge stitches can give you misinformation, which is why you make a larger than desired area to check gauge.
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