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May 19, 2019 17:04:55   #
SQM (a regular here)
 
Knitter from Nebraska wrote:
I agree! But remember...the slaves weren't considered "people" back then. They were considered property, just as one's dog, or horse or cow, was considered property.


And that is why I don't revere the founders since they created this country so that the wealthy would always be in control.
 
May 19, 2019 17:18:56   #
WendyMargaret (a regular here)
 
I liked your initial post Charbaby. Frankly, until the news media reports all the news without bias, we will all suffer and be unable to make good choices at the poles. Once, newspapers reported the facts. No longer. Every jerk is able to get her blog out there. No sooner does she express some antisemitic, antimoslem, anti catholic,antidruidism etc than a pack of reporters give it lots of press instead of ignoring her ignorance.
I completely blame the media for all the nonsense that went on in the last election. Well, maybe Hillary should have thought before she relegated a majority to a basket of deplorables.
May 19, 2019 17:29:48   #
SQM (a regular here)
 
WendyMargaret wrote:
I liked your initial post Charbaby. Frankly, until the news media reports all the news without bias, we will all suffer and be unable to make good choices at the poles. Once, newspapers reported the facts. No longer. Every jerk is able to get her blog out there. No sooner does she express some antisemitic, antimoslem, anti catholic,antidruidism etc than a pack of reporters give it lots of press instead of ignoring her ignorance.
I completely blame the media for all the nonsense that went on in the last election. Well, maybe Hillary should have thought before she relegated a majority to a basket of deplorables.
I liked your initial post Charbaby. Frankly, until... (show quote)


Interesting post. I think a lot about the media and I keep a very critical mindset when I am watching MSNBC. I bet we will never know just how the media are playing us. They shape how we think and how we feel. But who is pulling the media"s strings?
May 19, 2019 17:32:11   #
loremiko
 
Beachgirl1000 wrote:
What would make you think that SQM, or any of the rest of us, is not informed about slavery and human trafficking?
She was making a point about freedom in response to KFN's post.
But this topic is not really about slavery. It's about the direction in which this country seems to be heading right now, under the highly dysfunctional misguided leadership of those who put their own interests ahead of the people's.


SQM brought up slavery, not me.
I agree there are many dysfunctional and misguided leaders putting their own interests ahead of the people's. But it hasn't just gotten that way in the last 2 years. Those in high positions have been doing that for quite a long time pacifying the rest of us in one way or another to keep us from noticing. I believe if former Secretary Clinton had won the election, that pacifying would have continued along with their own interests being pursued.

I agree we need government, but ours has gone completely out of control with programs etc. being abused and corrupted. An example is the school districts. Federal funds going to assist in educating the country's youth was being pocketed by principals and other district officials. Other examples of the corruption and abuse are medicare, the EPA, FDA, and CDC. Why will social security be broke in a few years? Even that was set up erroneously. It was never properly ratified. It should only be going to those who have contributed to it. Those funds have been, shall we say borrowed?, and put toward other projects or programs. The funds were supposed to be invested so it could grow if I understand it correctly. We need a major cleanup or overhaul. If that looks like current leaders putting their own interest's ahead of the people's, well, with all due respect, it seems it's all a matter of personal perspective.
May 19, 2019 18:47:24   #
MarilynKnits (a regular here)
 
I hope the people who need to hear what you said take the trouble to open this topic. You have made a powerful statement regarding what has contributed to any greatness a country has.

When we lose sight of the humanity of fellow humans regardless of the superficial differences that distinguish among us, we compromise our own claim to humanity. People who value themselves honestly seem to be the ones who value others as well. There is something seriously lacking in the humanity of people who diminish, demean, and/or dehumanize others others.

charbaby wrote:
DH is watching a program on the History Channel about the combat engineers during the Battle of the Bulge in December, 1944. The program included a bit of a speech by FDR on the cost of the struggle in blood & treasure. He says that "everything we are is at stake." I had the thought that have we lost sight of what we are as Americans & strayed so far from our foundation that we can be as angry & polarized as we are now? That we can believe a skewed version of what we are about & ignore the hard truth? It's hard to be democratic (not the party, but the open door, if you want a better life, you're welcome kind of democracy). You have to be willing & able to put aside fear of "the other" & make room for a new flavor in this American stew. Is this current version of America what all our brave soldiers, sailors, & Marines fought & died for? A very elderly friend, a veteran of that terrible struggle to free Europe & protect the world from fascism & Nazi authoritarianism, is appalled & scandalized by the downward trajectory of the current quality of our Federal government. As am I. To steal from FDR, everything we are, and are supposed to be according to our Constitution is at stake. The give & take of a two party system isn't the problem. The sheer absence of the give & take, the honest willingness to do what's truly American according to our founding documents IS the problem. That's the one bi-partisan issue we have. Communicate with your legislators, regardless of your political stripe. They must represent US, the people. And nothing & no one else comes before that mission.
DH is watching a program on the History Channel ab... (show quote)
May 19, 2019 19:06:35   #
charbaby (a regular here)
 
SQM wrote:
Interesting post. I think a lot about the media and I keep a very critical mindset when I am watching MSNBC. I bet we will never know just how the media are playing us. They shape how we think and how we feel. But who is pulling the media"s strings?


Just follow the money. I hate the complete absence of news reporters, impartial, as in the 1960s. I couldn't tell you what any of their leanings were. Other than Cronkite after he very openly went to Vietnam during the Tet offensive. And then he talked about the manner in which the war was being fought; we couldn't win. But he didn't laud or denigrate either party. Just the prosecution of the war. Now every talking head has an agenda. I just want the straight facts, nit an opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their version of the facts. Give me the facts. I can read, research more & formulate my own opinion. If I share that with my elected representatives & get active with like-minded people, that's being an informed citizen. Hannity, Cuomo, Ingraham, Carlson don't live my life. They all are pushing for influence, ratings & money. Sort of free-lance video lobbyists. We don't need more of that. And we don't need willful ignorance. The end result of that god awful reality show plays out every day in tweets, talking heads & sound bites from chicken s*** legislators who aren't doing their damn job. It's the runaway train to the outer ring of hell I'll call dysfunctional autocracy & the cult of personality - a pathological personality at that.
 
May 19, 2019 19:49:26   #
MarilynKnits (a regular here)
 
I have been watching NEWSY once in a while. Channel 113 on FIOS in my area. They make a conscious effort to just present facts. I also watch the FIOS channel 1 news that seems to be local to the viewer's general area. Local weather and traffic plus odds and ends of news. I get much more balanced and comprehensive news reading my local Patch and TapInto offerings on line.

I also watch ABC World News Tonight with David Muir. He seems to stick to facts pretty closely as well. One of the things I like about his program is that his last story is usually an uplifting "feel good" about people being kind or accomplishing something positive. He also promotes companies in America that manufacture consumer goods, his "Made in America" segments.

So much of the local broadcast channel news is about mayhem, accidents, shootings that it is depressing and becomes sort of numbing. And the cable stations present op-eds most of the time rather than actual news. Too much of that can warp a person.
charbaby wrote:
Just follow the money. I hate the complete absence of news reporters, impartial, as in the 1960s. I couldn't tell you what any of their leanings were. Other than Cronkite after he very openly went to Vietnam during the Tet offensive. And then he talked about the manner in which the war was being fought; we couldn't win. But he didn't laud or denigrate either party. Just the prosecution of the war. Now every talking head has an agenda. I just want the straight facts, nit an opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their version of the facts. Give me the facts. I can read, research more & formulate my own opinion. If I share that with my elected representatives & get active with like-minded people, that's being an informed citizen. Hannity, Cuomo, Ingraham, Carlson don't live my life. They all are pushing for influence, ratings & money. Sort of free-lance video lobbyists. We don't need more of that. And we don't need willful ignorance. The end result of that god awful reality show plays out every day in tweets, talking heads & sound bites from chicken s*** legislators who aren't doing their damn job. It's the runaway train to the outer ring of hell I'll call dysfunctional autocracy & the cult of personality - a pathological personality at that.
Just follow the money. I hate the complete absence... (show quote)
May 19, 2019 20:04:11   #
Beachgirl1000 (a regular here)
 
MarilynKnits wrote:
I have been watching NEWSY once in a while. Channel 113 on FIOS in my area. They make a conscious effort to just present facts. I also watch the FIOS channel 1 news that seems to be local to the viewer's general area. Local weather and traffic plus odds and ends of news. I get much more balanced and comprehensive news reading my local Patch and TapInto offerings on line.

I also watch ABC World News Tonight with David Muir. He seems to stick to facts pretty closely as well. One of the things I like about his program is that his last story is usually an uplifting "feel good" about people being kind or accomplishing something positive. He also promotes companies in America that manufacture consumer goods, his "Made in America" segments.

So much of the local broadcast channel news is about mayhem, accidents, shootings that it is depressing and becomes sort of numbing. And the cable stations present op-eds most of the time rather than actual news. Too much of that can warp a person.
I have been watching NEWSY once in a while. Chann... (show quote)


We watch David Muir's broadcast also, for the same reasons you do.
And I agree with your take on local news. It's all murders, house fires, car accidents and school board meetings.
May 20, 2019 05:53:45   #
mossstitch (a regular here)
 
loremiko wrote:
SQM brought up slavery, not me.
I agree there are many dysfunctional and misguided leaders putting their own interests ahead of the people's. But it hasn't just gotten that way in the last 2 years. Those in high positions have been doing that for quite a long time pacifying the rest of us in one way or another to keep us from noticing. I believe if former Secretary Clinton had won the election, that pacifying would have continued along with their own interests being pursued.

I agree we need government, but ours has gone completely out of control with programs etc. being abused and corrupted. An example is the school districts. Federal funds going to assist in educating the country's youth was being pocketed by principals and other district officials. Other examples of the corruption and abuse are medicare, the EPA, FDA, and CDC. Why will social security be broke in a few years? Even that was set up erroneously. It was never properly ratified. It should only be going to those who have contributed to it. Those funds have been, shall we say borrowed?, and put toward other projects or programs. The funds were supposed to be invested so it could grow if I understand it correctly. We need a major cleanup or overhaul. If that looks like current leaders putting their own interest's ahead of the people's, well, with all due respect, it seems it's all a matter of personal perspective.
SQM brought up slavery, not me. br I agree there a... (show quote)

Slavery is alive and well even today . On the NPR program 'Reveal ' this week did an hour long informative episode on the Assisted Living Industry . In California some workers are on the premises 24 hrs a day , their salary can be as low as 3 dollars per hour . They do EVERYTHING , cleaning , cooking AND taking care of clients . Many of these workers , mostly women are from the Philippines .
A Mr Simpson who runs many of these homes claims that these women LOVE their jobs , it's in their DNA to enjoy doing this work !!!
May 20, 2019 10:15:13   #
Elder Ellen
 
I can well remember when many Americans were afraid of FDR's plans for us. He was known as "that man" by those who seriously objected to his socialist plans. (We were still polite enough to label extremists without using profanity or "dirty" names.) Of course, he died, and we had to limited the number of terms one person could hold the office of Presidency, but others continued to take our hard earned savings to pay for those who wanted a hand-out. Of course, there are some common causes and we all should pay our share, but it will take time to correct all the damage that's been done, and one person can only do so much. Perhaps, our current leader is overly ambitious but he does deserve some respect. Name-calling and nasty remarks doesn't help fix anything. (I did NOT vote for our current President, but I did vote and I accepted the results of the election.)
May 20, 2019 10:15:16   #
Elder Ellen
 
I can well remember when many Americans were afraid of FDR's plans for us. He was known as "that man" by those who seriously objected to his socialist plans. (We were still polite enough to label extremists without using profanity or "dirty" names.) Of course, he died, and we had to limited the number of terms one person could hold the office of Presidency, but others continued to take our hard earned savings to pay for those who wanted a hand-out. Of course, there are some common causes and we all should pay our share, but it will take time to correct all the damage that's been done, and one person can only do so much. Perhaps, our current leader is overly ambitious but he does deserve some respect. Name-calling and nasty remarks doesn't help fix anything. (I did NOT vote for our current President, but I did vote and I accepted the results of the election.)
 
May 20, 2019 10:51:27   #
skkp
 
Dusti wrote:
It's not one party or the other; it's the bad apples in both - the selfish, egotistical, self-centered individuals who have corrupted politics for their own personal gain. THAT is what destroyed America. Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done anymore to turn the tide because the "people" ...us...the working class...are the "ONLY" ones that CAN change it, bring value and ethics back to congress. But I also know too that people are too comfortable, too complacent and show no desire whatsoever to get off their comfortable asses and do something about it. Didn't I say over and over again and again for years and years that we are doomed? Well, that's not gonna change! THAT'S why I say "we're doomed." Do you finally see it NOW??? Look to the super rich!
It's not one party or the other; it's the bad appl... (show quote)


Oh like the billionaire that just paid all the student debt (owed to the US govt by and large) of the graduating class of Moorehouse or how about the co-founder of Home Depot paying all the medical school tuition at the Langone Medical Center in your back yard -- Like those "super rich"?
May 20, 2019 12:23:39   #
GrandmaSuzy
 
Knitter from Nebraska wrote:
I agree! But remember...the slaves weren't considered "people" back then. They were considered property, just as one's dog, or horse or cow, was considered property.


And they were considered as 3/5 of a person...male slaves only, of course.
May 20, 2019 12:51:05   #
mover (a regular here)
 
I pray for your America.This is a different Would but as my son said to his children when Trump won,this is the way democracy works.If you do not like what happens,it is your right and duty to go to the polls on election day and vote.I like the Australian way,you pay if you do not vote.Sad that it had to come to this but people fought for this freedom to voice your opinion so use it.I believe that youth are attuned to the events happening around the World and they are our hope to change things.Love conquers all,as the saying goes.Just my thoughts.Dianne 🇨🇦
May 20, 2019 13:28:53   #
Elder Ellen
 
The "super rich" are few and far between in USA, but some people managed to earn and "save up" for
themselves and future generations. That's the risk they took! Rich people did not migrate to America. Immigrants came here to improve their situation and that of their children. Some were reasonably successful but that should not be a reason to punish them. There was no intention of providing for those who did not succeed, but many of those who gained some degree of wealth were/are willing to help the less fortunate who made an effort. They usually don't like being required to support those who didn't make much effort to succeed.
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