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Jul 1, 2019 20:51:16   #
jordi (a regular here)
 
I would at least hope that if people were face to face they would not say what they write here but I'm not entirely sure. I suspect some are natural born bullies.

shepherd wrote:
That is a great question, Jordi. And it happens often (not just here on KP) when there is any comment about politics these days. Political division is at its worst during my lifetime. Criticism and name-calling was never so prevalent, and I go back to Eisenhower, personally and well remember the Roosevelt years when I was old enough to understand the name-calling. And there was disrespect then too, but never to the present degree.

My theory?
Today it is easy to be as blatant as you please because all of the comments (both sides) are essentially anonymous. Even here we do not see faces or even know actual names. When some of these words fly in face-to-face situations it could often lead to physical violence! Our pseudonymns make us anonymous and some do not even post their location on the globe, much less in a country. So it is easy to be profane and to disrespect when no one really knows who you are. I would be surprised if much of this would not even go on if we all had to write it down and put a return address and a stamp on it. Or even maybe pay for long-distance phone bills. It is just too easy and no one can spank you.
That is a great question, Jordi. And it happens of... (show quote)
 
Jul 1, 2019 21:19:37   #
run4fittness (a regular here)
 
Cheryl Jaeger wrote:
I am not angry I am so disappointed that race and anything else is being brought into What should never have been allowed. If anything it is a Big Turn Off for me. If you have something of value or interest it should promote itself. Not using other agendas to get noticed. . jmo


Thank you for writing this.
Jul 1, 2019 21:35:22   #
JeannineAnne (a regular here)
 
Well I am sure I am not the only one but I would say to someones face what I say in print..but I don't name call
Jul 1, 2019 21:44:34   #
whale watcher (a regular here)
 
JeannineAnne wrote:
Well I am sure I am not the only one but I would say to someones face what I say in print..but I don't name call


me too....
Jul 1, 2019 22:25:08   #
barbarab
 
To all of you who are so offended by Ravelry's policies, just stop visiting their site. Think of all the time you would gain. You could do something like knit or crochet.
Jul 2, 2019 00:50:54   #
Cookiecat (a regular here)
 
Identity politics. I long for the restoration of the "melting pot" theory and practice of past years. People came here to become AMERICANS. Now it seems every discernable identity group clamoring for attention and special priveleges (described as "rights") Look at https://quillette.com/2019/02/17/a-witch-hunt-on-instagram/ and see where this demanding attention for minority knitters can go....
 
Jul 2, 2019 00:54:04   #
Cookiecat (a regular here)
 
Let the DESIGNS speak for themselves, and compete on MERIT. Anything else is condescending/patronizing, as in the "best (insert minority) design" as if it couldn't compete in the larger marketplace.
Jul 2, 2019 08:13:27   #
YarnStalker
 
Augustgran wrote:
They (ravelry ) does not want to support anything trump.
It is their business, they can choose to do what they want.
The majority of trump voters thinks act and behave like trump.
If you voted for the orange menace you support him, his policies , his agenda!!
Full stop! Period!
Voting for Don the con because you didn't like Hilary is beyond stupid!
If you didn't like the candidates? Don't vote!


You should be seeing the Libertarian candidate at the final debates this time around. We fought hard and made some good advances for the 2020 election.

I have never voted Republican or Democratic in any Presidential election and will continue my practice. I voted the first time in 1976 not being old enough to vote the year I turned 18. My birthday is in November a week after the usual election Tuesday date.
Jul 2, 2019 08:40:24   #
Kensbarb
 
What is fair about favoring one particular kind of people because they are black, pink, green or white? Let them stand on their own merits instead of what color they are or what sex they happen to think they are on a particular day of the week. I've always known what sex I am and it has never changed!
By next week they might think that they are Martians.
Jul 2, 2019 09:00:28   #
Augustgran (a regular here)
 
Kensbarb wrote:
What is fair about favoring one particular kind of people because they are black, pink, green or white? Let them stand on their own merits instead of what color they are or what sex they happen to think they are on a particular day of the week. I've always known what sex I am and it has never changed!
By next week they might think that they are Martians.


Turn it around! What is fair about NOT supporting a designer because they are gay, of colour, different faith than you?
If you feel it is alright to NOT support a designer for your own personal reasons then the same applies to me.

Obviously YOU are threatened by people different than you or you wouldn't make the snide,rude, uneducated remark in you last sentence.!
Jul 2, 2019 09:10:23   #
Kathie
 
JeannineAnne wrote:
I very much admire the idea of what they are doing, it is very commendable and we should all do it but.....the wording is poor...if the word especially was changed to equally it would be a lot better. This is suggesting we pay more attention to minorities which suggests we are not treating them equally now.

Very bad wording of a very good thought

Pity


The minorities they mentioned aren't treated equally. I don't see how anyone can deny that. You only have to look at statistics for prove of that. Even women aren't treated equally. Look at the difference in pay between men and women.
 
Jul 2, 2019 09:16:09   #
Augustgran (a regular here)
 
Kathie wrote:
The minorities they mentioned aren't treated equally. I don't see how anyone can deny that. You only have to look at statistics for prove of that. Even women aren't treated equally. Look at the difference in pay between men and women.


Jul 2, 2019 09:21:04   #
knittingthyme (a regular here)
 
If you favor one you are un-favoring another. So at any given time someone is being treated unfairly.


Kensbarb wrote:
What is fair about favoring one particular kind of people because they are black, pink, green or white? Let them stand on their own merits instead of what color they are or what sex they happen to think they are on a particular day of the week. I've always known what sex I am and it has never changed!
By next week they might think that they are Martians.
Jul 2, 2019 09:30:06   #
YarnStalker
 
I follow a lot of the designers that BIPOC on Instagram and have read their stories. Many of them have been to the big fiber gatherings where they would walk up to a vender's table and never be given the time of day as if people of non-white ethnicity don't knit.

Have you ever gone to a yarn store where the owner doesn't show much interest in you because you're not one of the regulars?
They barely acknowledge you because you're looking at the lower-price yarns?

I have. Do you know what happens? I don't go back and don't even buy through their website. The last time it happened I bought a book that I wanted and had in my Amazon wishlist. There was no reason for me to feel as if I needed to make a purchase other than I had made the trip to the store two counties from where I live.

I've always been one to not follow a crowd and don't get pushed around by anyone. When you stand up for yourself you tend to be pushed aside by those who follow the crowd.

So, those who are leaving Ravelry - is it because you feel you need to follow the crowd and are you just doing what my mom would say 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'?

Ravelry is a privately owned and run site. Would you allow someone in your private home who came to criticize your decor, complain about your offered snacks or beverages, sit and watch your television and barely speak to you?

We have a close friend who will talk politics and he does what so many do now, bash those he doesn't agree with. The last time we got together with him and his wife the first thing I told him was that if he couldn't have pleasant conversation and not start into people bashing - it's not just politics - I'm moving to another table for my meal. His wife gave me a thumbs-up where he couldn't see. So now, every time we see him it's as if he's a reformed person. So pleasant to be with.

I don't care who you are. If you speak poorly of others, make ridiculing comments about looks, then get that big smile on your face while waiting for praise you are someone who I cannot relate to. As one who has been on the receiving end all her childhood that is behavior that I cannot tolerate. If you can make advances to women and make comments about how they look and, wait for public praise - as one who was physically attacked by a former husband - I cannot offer support or praise no matter who you are and what public status you hold.

I worked in management in the auto industry. I supervised UAW employees in manufacturing environments. As a female, the union representatives and the male workers automatically thought I'd be a push-over and would always agree with them and back down in arguments. They use verbal and body language to intimidate. The first union rep who came up to me and started swearing at me I just looked at him, shook my head, gave him a big smile and told him that if he spoke to me again in that manner I would get up out of my chair and walk out that door. My boss and coworker were standing right there. My coworker was shaking his head and mouthing 'no' that I wasn't supposed to talk to the Union in that way.

That union rep never swore in my presence again in the 10 years I was there and the others who heard about our encounter also spoke with nothing but respect and clean language.

No, I didn't give in, because when you believe in what's right for the employee and the company you do the right thing. You don't back down, turn tail, and run after the crowd screaming "Wait for me!"
Jul 2, 2019 09:54:57   #
gawatoc
 
hilltopper wrote:
Well, not too surprising, but a very strange - almost humorous - example of inclusiveness. !! And then, perhaps they will not be surprised if all groups in this nation decide to only support members of their own group. That should quickly undo all the advances that have been made in more recent years and assure that this nation can never again be though of as united. This experiment in democracy and civilized governance will not have lasted very long at all.


Agree 👍
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