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Jul 3, 2019 14:24:57   #
knovice knitter (a regular here)
 
PPCorella wrote:
I for one will not use Ravelry. This is against the President, not hate speech. And when an organization takes a political stand, that's when I leave. And you are supporting the other side. If they had said they would not support the Democrats, I would leave as well. Because maybe next month you would decide not to support Italians, or Irish or Jews or Blacks, or whomever. When you think of what all the Democrats have done with regard to physically and verbally attacking Trump supporters, I don't know why you even take a stand. Just last week a journalist was beaten in Portland, Oregon. The Sanders family was forced to leave a restaurant. Candice Owens and her friend were forced to leave a restaurant in Philadelphia. A man called Tucker Carlson's teenage daughter a whore and a f***ing c***. The man's membership at the country club where the event took place has his membership revoked. A teenage boy wearing a MAGA hat had water thrown at his face and had his hat stolen. One of Trump's sons had a waitress spit in his face. And two years ago at a baseball game in Virginia a Congressman, and two other players were shot. The shooter meant to kill them. Of course, the people shot were Republicans. The list is endless. Talk about hate. It seems the Democrats are the ones spewing all the hate. And by the way in the event I have selective memory, remind me of all the Republicans who spew hate at Democrats by performing any abusive act. And so if I SAY I support Trump, that is not acceptable? And Ravelry, please ban me from your site. I will not use it. And you are the ones spewing hate. And all you are is a bunch of sore losers. Move on. Hillary lost the election. And I cannot believe that there are still so many Trump haters out there after looking at what he has done with the economy and jobs. And along with his daughter starting a new program so that kids who may not want to go to college can learn a trade such as plumbing or electrician. I don't know about you, but I do not know a poor plumber or electrician. Go ahead Mr. Trump. You've got my vote in 2020. And if anyone in Ravelry is reading this, please, please ban me from your site. I wish there was a way that I could un-join. Have a nice day everyone.
I for one will not use Ravelry. This is against t... (show quote)


Ravelry does not want to read your crap on their site, why would they come here to read it. Use your self-righteousness to sign in to Ravelry and pull your own account.

Your take on this is misguided. Ravelry is not against conservatives, it is against white supremacy and the support of it. If you don't fit the bill, why are you so offended? However, from what you have posted above, I'd say you do fit the bill. You are idolizing an admitted white supremacist. If those are your values, Ravelry doesn't want you expressing those values on their site.
 
Jul 3, 2019 14:31:13   #
knovice knitter (a regular here)
 
PPCorella wrote:
Yes, that is what I would like to know. It's not hate. It's just that the moderators of Ravelry probably hate him, so they made up an excuse. I think they should stick to what they do best, and that is crafting. And I have never read anything on their site pro or con politically, so I don't know where that came up. All I ever saw on their sites were patterns, and please correct me if I am wrong.


They have forums on their site where trump supporters have been very crude and very vocal. They praise trump as many have on this thread. By praising trump and vilifying others who don't, they are supporting his white supremacy. There are many conservatives who do not support trump. George Will comes to mind. So if you are a Conservative Republican and don't love trump's abhorrent policies, actions, statements, history of racism, cronyism, thievery and rape, then Ravelry embraces you
Jul 3, 2019 14:32:20   #
knovice knitter (a regular here)
 
D0r15 wrote:
What hypocrisy!!! No freedom of speech here. Disgraceful . People like that will destroy the country..


Too late!
Jul 3, 2019 14:35:09   #
CarolZ
 
I wish KP would adopt the same policy as Ravelry. There would be a lot less nastiness on this site too.
Jul 3, 2019 14:42:24   #
knovice knitter (a regular here)
 
korteruckmar wrote:
"Our definition of hate speech is as follows: Hate Speech and Hateful Imagery Words, phrases, or images deemed by Ravelry's owners to express, either deliberately or unknowingly, hatred or contempt towards a group of people, based on areas such as their ethnic, cultural, religious or sexual identity, gender, socio-economic class, or with reference to physical health or mental health, are not allowed."

Does this include hate speech directed to our President, Donald Trump? I see more hate speech directed toward him than any other group or person.
"Our definition of hate speech is as follows:... (show quote)


It does. He is always expressing hatred or contempt towards a group of people, based on areas such as their ethnic, cultural, religious or sexual identity, gender, socio-economic class, or with reference to physical health or mental health, are not allowed."
Jul 3, 2019 14:44:31   #
noni (a regular here)
 
Pakpy wrote:
Last time I checked, “fuck Trump” falls into the category of hate speech. And yet this is supported on Ravelry


Not anymore. Pay attention!
 
Jul 3, 2019 14:45:38   #
LovesK2P2 (a regular here)
 
Sully wrote:
Thank you Ravelry , MOve on People ...stick to crafting... The USA is not the world... there is all the rest of us out here that do not want to hear the discourse that runs through the US on our crafting site. There is no room for hate anywhere. Keep it to yourselves. It's like fire. Let it spread and everyone is affected. Keep it in one place and eventually, we can only hope, it burns itself out.


Thank you....someone with perspective!!!
Jul 3, 2019 14:49:26   #
knovice knitter (a regular here)
 
hilltopper wrote:
I find calling millions of American white supremacists because of their political view pretty evil. Nothing can whitewash that.


It's not their view, it is their support of a known white supremacist. How many times do we have to say that?
Jul 3, 2019 15:00:06   #
knovice knitter (a regular here)
 
hilltopper wrote:
If it is a mystery to you perhaps you may want to think about how some people were tired of career politicians and did not want another one for president. Perhaps you might consider how some. people were willing to have a perhaps flawed personality rather than someone who thought they were entitled to the presidency. And there may have been some who thought Hillary Clinton and her brand of politics were a great danger to this country. And perhaps some did not want to reward a candidate who showed more allegiance to her political party than her country, was inept at the job of Sec. of State, and seemed ungrateful. for all this country had done for her. Maybe some voted against her were she decided everyone who did not favor her was somehow not decent.
If it is a mystery to you perhaps you may want to ... (show quote)


Water over the dam. We now have someone in the WH who shows allegiance to foreign dictators and himself. That's it. Because of that, he is a great danger to this country. What, exactly is Mrs. Clinton supposed to be so grateful to this country for? All I hear are cries of "lock her up" still. She's a private citizen. So does racism, bankruptcy, serial cheating, degradation of women, not paying contractors, starting up self-serving charities and universities fall under "flawed personality"? These were all things known before his hat was tossed in the ring. I have no idea how anyone with a sense of decency, could vote for him and it baffles me more that so many continue adoring him. Especially, you, Miss lifelong Democrat. If you were ever a Democrat, then I am the very first alien to visit Roswell, New Mexico.
Jul 3, 2019 15:24:58   #
Nanabjem
 
I can relate to everything you say. Many thanks.
Jul 3, 2019 15:30:03   #
Miss M
 
I agree.
 
Jul 3, 2019 16:01:04   #
Aubreys gramma (a regular here)
 
And you know this because it has already happened? Hmmm, I thought today was only the 3rd of July.

naughtyknitterjan wrote:
And now the Hatemonger in chief is turning July 4 into a political rally and an event to stroke his self esteem. God help us.
Jul 3, 2019 16:11:51   #
Aubreys gramma (a regular here)
 
I have to say kk, you remind me of the commentators on the msm. You continually spout the same nonsense they do. Do you share the same talking points? Perhaps one day day you will pull your head out of the sand or maybe not...

knovice knitter wrote:
Water over the dam. We now have someone in the WH who shows allegiance to foreign dictators and himself. That's it. Because of that, he is a great danger to this country. What, exactly is Mrs. Clinton supposed to be so grateful to this country for? All I hear are cries of "lock her up" still. She's a private citizen. So does racism, bankruptcy, serial cheating, degradation of women, not paying contractors, starting up self-serving charities and universities fall under "flawed personality"? These were all things known before his hat was tossed in the ring. I have no idea how anyone with a sense of decency, could vote for him and it baffles me more that so many continue adoring him. Especially, you, Miss lifelong Democrat. If you were ever a Democrat, then I am the very first alien to visit Roswell, New Mexico.
Water over the dam. We now have someone in the WH... (show quote)
Jul 3, 2019 16:26:01   #
raindancer (a regular here)
 
Hazel Blumberg - McKee wrote:
Ravelry, I cannot thank you enough for your anti-hate-speech platform. Hatred, bigotry, racism, and more have always existed in the United States. However, now that they are being encouraged by a US president who actively incites violence, more hatred, bigotry, racism have come to the fore than I've seen since my childhood in the 1950s and 1960s. Back then, I experienced rampant, everyday anti-Semitism. I had hoped that, over the years, things would improve.

Under the current president, anti-Semitism and all the other "anti-"s have grown to horrific percentages. I am experiencing anti-Semitism that is far worse than what I experienced as a kid. I am having flashbacks. Friends of mine who are African American have been and have felt so threatened that they have fled the US. This is the US in which we now live.

I fear the end of democracy in the US. The president's military extravaganza for the 4th of July allies him with dictators the world over. I fear that this country will soon throw people into concentration camps (it's already doing that to refugees), into shtetls, and kill them. (The police killings of African Americans are rampant.)

Thank you for taking a stand as we watch the "failing" United States go down the drain. You are a sign of hope in an apocalyptic world.

Hazel
Ravelry, I cannot thank you enough for your anti-h... (show quote)


Thank you Hazel Blumberg - McKee! Very well said!
Jul 3, 2019 16:29:05   #
knovice knitter (a regular here)
 
Aubreys gramma wrote:
I have to say kk, you remind me of the commentators on the msm. You continually spout the same nonsense they do. Do you share the same talking points? Perhaps one day day you will pull your head out of the sand or maybe not...


I don't watch opinion television. I used to watch MSNBC several years ago when the focus was on the recall of the governor of Wisconsin. Since trump meandered on to the political scene, I've not watched television news. I can't bear to hear his voice. I also saw what Fox was doing to people like you. Fox isn't news. It is opinions about the news. I felt left leaning broadcasts were no better in that respect, however, they are much more calm, intelligent, factual and well-researched rather than knee-jerk bs. So no. I speak the way I feel and have felt since I marched in the 60's in Viet Nam involvement protests. I think critically enough not to have to be told how to think by some blond cleavaged Stepford wife or Fat Cats with spittle dripping from their jowls.
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