This hoarder has saved patterns dating to the 50's. Many are from my Scottish relatives living in the US. I want to make a shawl similar to ones my Granny wore.
I have 2 which are in bad shape from poor laundry practice and the moths having a picnic on them. Anyway, the pattern I would like to use is in a booklet by Patons and Baldwins called, "Beehive for Babies". The pattern in question is a baby shawl and calls for 7 balls (1 oz. ball) of Beehive Patonized Baby Wool. The gauge is 6.5 sts/inch on 3.5 mm needles. The yarn itself is described as 3 ply. My investigation so far has figured this yarn is sport wt but as far as transcribing yardage needed, I am stumped. Looking at similar patterns of a solid center shawl with a feather and fan type edging, 44 X 44 in., I don't find anything current. I need your help on yardage needed. I hope one of the British knitters here can point me in the right direction. Many thanks in advance.
Have you already checked Ravelry? They have information on some (not all) discontinued yarns. I agree that contacting Patons would probably be the best thing to do.
p.s.- did a Google search and this web site sounded good. I noticed that Woolike, available at Michaels is on the list. I have used this yarn in hand knitting and liked it very much.https://yarnsub.com/yarns/patons_north_america/beehive_baby
3 ply is finer than fingering .7 oz is similar to 200grams ,as near as you can get .I use a conversion site to change weight or length.Are you able to get any Patons yarn in your area .I actually prefer Sirdar but tend to go with man made for baby items as the laundering is so easy .
Other yarn makes available in the U.K. which you may be able to get are James Brett ,Robin ,Peter Pan .
Please send a private message if you think I can help you with this .I am making baby stuff for a neighbour and have found there are very few colours available in 3 ply .
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I am confused about "ply". My pattern was printed in the US and calls the recommended yarn, 3 ply. I have a chart that calls 3 ply light fingering with 32 sts to 4 in. (8 st/ 1 in.) The pattern gauge in garter st is 6.5 sts to 1 inch (26 sts/4 in.). My source calls this gauge "sport wt" or 5 ply. I wonder if "ply" means different things in UK and US. I think I need to go with gauge first. So I am back to the amount of yarn needed, yards, gms, oz...some kind of amount to make this baby shawl. Yarn shops are a minus quantity where I live so I buy on line or Joanne's for everyday stuff. Thank you for taking time to respond.
I assure you that 3 ply is finer than fingering .I do test knitting for an American lady and use 4 ply sometimes to replace fingering but I think the 4 ply is slightly thicker than fingering .The 3 ply I used recently has 3 strands of yarn twisted together whereas the 4 ply has 4 strands .
This lady I test knit for commented that different makes of yarn can have varying lengths per 50gram skein /ball .
I just looked up details for a 3 ply yarn .
50grams = 1.7637 yards
230metres per ball or 251.531 yards
3 mm needles or between 2 and 3 USA size
Tension 32 sts and 40 rows should produce a 10x10 cm square but really tension is not so important with a shawl.
I have about worn out my "yarn sub" button, ha, ha. Just sent an Email to Patons. I think I am a century behind times, doing this shawl, oh well.
You all are the best. I think I have it figured out, not easy when the yarn is discontinued. I was wrong about the "ply". The yarn is indeed a fingering wt and will take about 924 yds of # 2. I will see if I get a reply from Patons in UK. Thank everyone for your time and research. XXXOOO
Please be sure to let us know when you get a reply from Patons. Let us know what they advised you to do.
I have a ball of UK yarn in my hand.It is 3ply Sirdar which is identical to the Patons one.It is a 50 gram ball which equates to 1 3/4 ounces, this is what the old patterns used. It has 329 yards, which is 301 metres.Needle size is 3mm, 10 Uk ,3 US. swatch is 32sts x 40 rows gives a 4inch square.
I make a lot of shawls and many of my patterns are the old ones. I would be surprised if I didn;t have the one you want to do. If you post the number I can probably help you better. There were a few Beehive for Babies, vol 1, 2, etc.
If you still have to buy your wool, you can get it sent from the UK with very little postage from Wool Warehouse.
Many of my old patterns are Scottish, I may have the pattern that is the one used for the old shawls you have, if you can get me a picture.