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Aug 9, 2019 14:57:44   #
grannybell (a regular here)
 
This hoarder has saved patterns dating to the 50's. Many are from my Scottish relatives living in the US. I want to make a shawl similar to ones my Granny wore.
I have 2 which are in bad shape from poor laundry practice and the moths having a picnic on them. Anyway, the pattern I would like to use is in a booklet by Patons and Baldwins called, "Beehive for Babies". The pattern in question is a baby shawl and calls for 7 balls (1 oz. ball) of Beehive Patonized Baby Wool. The gauge is 6.5 sts/inch on 3.5 mm needles. The yarn itself is described as 3 ply. My investigation so far has figured this yarn is sport wt but as far as transcribing yardage needed, I am stumped. Looking at similar patterns of a solid center shawl with a feather and fan type edging, 44 X 44 in., I don't find anything current. I need your help on yardage needed. I hope one of the British knitters here can point me in the right direction. Many thanks in advance.
 
Aug 9, 2019 15:11:08   #
ChasingRainbows (a regular here)
 
Yarnsub.com doesn't list that yarn, but has this list of Beehive yarn.

https://yarnsub.com/search?q=Beehive+for+babies

Why not contact Patons and ask them what to substitute.

https://knitpatons.com/en
Aug 9, 2019 15:12:52   #
JoyceinNC (a regular here)
 
Have you already checked Ravelry? They have information on some (not all) discontinued yarns. I agree that contacting Patons would probably be the best thing to do.

p.s.- did a Google search and this web site sounded good. I noticed that Woolike, available at Michaels is on the list. I have used this yarn in hand knitting and liked it very much.

https://yarnsub.com/yarns/patons_north_america/beehive_baby
Aug 9, 2019 15:13:10   #
knit4ES (a regular here)
 
This popular sport yarn has 137 yards in 50 gram balls.... (1.76 oz per 50 grams)
Doing math ---- that comes to about 78 yards per oz.... 78 yards times 7 balls = 556 yards needed.
https://www.ravelry.com/yarns/library/debbie-bliss-baby-cashmerino

other yarns with different fibers would vary yardage.... so I would get take an average of several and still add 10% to be safe.

ETA: I do not know if the above is a good equivalent....
here are some free sport wt. baby blankets.... maybe look for the amount of yarn that they specify will help...
https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/search#craft=knitting&availability=-inprint%2B-free&photo=yes&pc=babyblanket&language=en%7Cu&weight=sport&sort=created&view=captioned_thumbs
Aug 9, 2019 15:13:41   #
lexiemae (a regular here)
 
I Googled this, found one from 1945. To me 3 ply would be even finer than 4ply & a yarn I have never used.
Not sure if this the actual booklet you have though?

http://www.treasuredheirloomscrochet.com/resale-babies-gramas-favorites.html
Aug 9, 2019 15:26:39   #
annweb170
 
3 ply is finer than fingering .7 oz is similar to 200grams ,as near as you can get .I use a conversion site to change weight or length.Are you able to get any Patons yarn in your area .I actually prefer Sirdar but tend to go with man made for baby items as the laundering is so easy .
Other yarn makes available in the U.K. which you may be able to get are James Brett ,Robin ,Peter Pan .
Please send a private message if you think I can help you with this .I am making baby stuff for a neighbour and have found there are very few colours available in 3 ply .
 
Aug 9, 2019 16:02:26   #
rainie (a regular here)
 
https://www.ravelry.com/yarns/library/patons-uk-beehive-baby-wool-3-ply
212 yards(194 meters) per ounce/28g
Aug 9, 2019 16:08:34   #
grannybell (a regular here)
 
annweb170 wrote:
3 ply is finer than fingering .7 oz is similar to 200grams ,as near as you can get .I use a conversion site to change weight or length.Are you able to get any Patons yarn in your area .I actually prefer Sirdar but tend to go with man made for baby items as the laundering is so easy .
Other yarn makes available in the U.K. which you may be able to get are James Brett ,Robin ,Peter Pan .
Please send a private message if you think I can help you with this .I am making baby stuff for a neighbour and have found there are very few colours available in 3 ply .
3 ply is finer than fingering .7 oz is similar to ... (show quote)


I am confused about "ply". My pattern was printed in the US and calls the recommended yarn, 3 ply. I have a chart that calls 3 ply light fingering with 32 sts to 4 in. (8 st/ 1 in.) The pattern gauge in garter st is 6.5 sts to 1 inch (26 sts/4 in.). My source calls this gauge "sport wt" or 5 ply. I wonder if "ply" means different things in UK and US. I think I need to go with gauge first. So I am back to the amount of yarn needed, yards, gms, oz...some kind of amount to make this baby shawl. Yarn shops are a minus quantity where I live so I buy on line or Joanne's for everyday stuff. Thank you for taking time to respond.
Aug 9, 2019 16:15:51   #
annweb170
 
I assure you that 3 ply is finer than fingering .I do test knitting for an American lady and use 4 ply sometimes to replace fingering but I think the 4 ply is slightly thicker than fingering .The 3 ply I used recently has 3 strands of yarn twisted together whereas the 4 ply has 4 strands .
This lady I test knit for commented that different makes of yarn can have varying lengths per 50gram skein /ball .
Aug 9, 2019 16:17:18   #
rainie (a regular here)
 
Your pattern gauge is 26/4in using 3.5 mm needles/US4 Your pattern calls for a #2 yarn.
https://www.craftyarncouncil.com/standards/yarn-weight-system
Aug 9, 2019 16:26:23   #
annweb170
 
I just looked up details for a 3 ply yarn .
50grams = 1.7637 yards
230metres per ball or 251.531 yards
3 mm needles or between 2 and 3 USA size
Tension 32 sts and 40 rows should produce a 10x10 cm square but really tension is not so important with a shawl.
 
Aug 9, 2019 16:40:07   #
grannybell (a regular here)
 
ChasingRainbows wrote:
Yarnsub.com doesn't list that yarn, but has this list of Beehive yarn.

https://yarnsub.com/search?q=Beehive+for+babies

Why not contact Patons and ask them what to substitute.

https://knitpatons.com/en


I have about worn out my "yarn sub" button, ha, ha. Just sent an Email to Patons. I think I am a century behind times, doing this shawl, oh well.
Aug 9, 2019 17:01:17   #
grannybell (a regular here)
 
You all are the best. I think I have it figured out, not easy when the yarn is discontinued. I was wrong about the "ply". The yarn is indeed a fingering wt and will take about 924 yds of # 2. I will see if I get a reply from Patons in UK. Thank everyone for your time and research. XXXOOO
Aug 9, 2019 17:53:41   #
JoyceinNC (a regular here)
 
Please be sure to let us know when you get a reply from Patons. Let us know what they advised you to do.
Aug 9, 2019 18:23:45   #
JeannineAnne (a regular here)
 
I have a ball of UK yarn in my hand.It is 3ply Sirdar which is identical to the Patons one.It is a 50 gram ball which equates to 1 3/4 ounces, this is what the old patterns used. It has 329 yards, which is 301 metres.Needle size is 3mm, 10 Uk ,3 US. swatch is 32sts x 40 rows gives a 4inch square.

I make a lot of shawls and many of my patterns are the old ones. I would be surprised if I didn;t have the one you want to do. If you post the number I can probably help you better. There were a few Beehive for Babies, vol 1, 2, etc.

If you still have to buy your wool, you can get it sent from the UK with very little postage from Wool Warehouse.

Many of my old patterns are Scottish, I may have the pattern that is the one used for the old shawls you have, if you can get me a picture.
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