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May 22, 2012 08:43:13   #
valj46
 
Aud36 wrote:
I was taught to knit by my Mum in WW2 in the air-raid shelter when I was 7 yrs old. She used to go to Jumble sales buy old woolies and we used to unpick (frog) ,skein ,wash and re knit. We seldom got new wool and if we did it was rationed and on coupons we used to save coupons for shoes and underwear She taught me to knit beacuse it took our minds of the bombing. Scary at 7 years old. We lived in a dock area where the troops and equipment left for Europe so we spent almost every night in the shelter.
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i remember my mother-in-law also my mother saying they use to knit a jumper or cardigan for a special occasion then after unpick the wool & knit something else so people would think they had alot of clothes done the same with sewing ,restyling skirts ,dresses etc. with knitting they would unpick the jumper several times
 
May 22, 2012 09:08:57   #
Patp
 
Memories!!! I also was taught by the Red Cross ladies. I was 10 years old in 5th. grade, in 1941. We did squares, and the ladies would then come, collect them and put them together for the troops for afghans. My motivation was we were then able to do them in class---we never took anything home. I also remember rationing and air raid practice---at school and at night at home.In summer I also remember the Coast Guard patroling the beach on horseback--By the way I have knitted almost everyday for lo these past 71 years.
May 22, 2012 09:09:14   #
Bethknits79
 
HandyFamily wrote:
Carol J. wrote:
There were separate girl and boy scouts because their projects were geared for boys to do manly things and girls to do womanly things. Girls didn't chop down trees or build boats and boys didn't learn to take care of babies and sew.
Carol J.


But, Carol, there are still separate boy scout groups and girl scout groups?
And the children are like 5 - 10 years old?
I wouldn't let a 6 - 7 year old hold an ax and definitely would not put a needle in a 5 year old hand... I just wander why are they now separate? Or do the movies just mislead and feed false information on this one?
Like... there is something called girl scout squirrel cookies? (and are there any squirrels inside the box?..) - but are there boy cookies and mixed gender too?
I'm just puzzled, that's all...
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Yes there are still separate boy and girl scout groups. I don't know what the ages are 2nd or 3rd grade maybe? And it goes all the way up until they graduate from high school although many do not stay in the groups that long. Yes the girl scouts still sell cookies but I don't know of any called squirrel cookies.......I don't think the boy scouts sell cookies but I might be wrong about that. As far as having them play together most schools are a mix of boys and girls so they get that while in school. The girl/boy scouts are not a part of school. Also, I don't think the boys use axes.....They learn things like survival skills in the woods, how to use a compass, put up a tent, fish I think they also learn woodwork, how to be a helpful member of society, and many other useful things.
May 22, 2012 09:18:52   #
Yarntherapy
 
HandyFamily wrote:
woodart wrote:
Baden Powell was the originator of the Boy Scout Movement. The girls discovered they were having so much fun that they wanted to join in too - so the Girl Guides (Girl Scouts) was formed soon after.
Cub Scouts were (are) the younger boys and Brownies are the younger girls in the Guide Movement.
Rovers (boys) and Rangers (girls) are the older teenagers.
Brings back fond memories of my own youth and then in my mid twenties (in the 1970s) I set up a Guide Company on an Australian Aboriginal reservation in South Australia and was the Captain for a couple of years but then my husband was transferred back to Adelaide and I had to leave the girls.
A couple of years ago I visited a Craft Show in Adelaide and there sitting at a table giving demonstrations of craftwork was one of the girls in my Guide Company - she's running a craft group for under-privileged youth here in Adelaide. We had a great chat about Guides and how it had influenced her life.
Cheers
Ainslie.
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And how come no one founded any mixed groups?
Boys and girls tend to play together here... And in my opinion they play (and learn) better in mixed groups than in gender-separate ones...
quote=woodart Baden Powell was the originator of ... (show quote)


When I was in Girl Guides (Girl Scouts in Canada) the two groups were separated by gender but when my son became a Scout in the early 90's it was different. Boy Scouts became just Scouts and started to include girls in the program. It helped especially in the country as there was not enough interested children to keep 2 different groups going. Girl Guides still do not allow boys and are suffering in the rural areas. I agree that having both sexes in the group helped develop a respect for both sides and a close knit group. The girls enjoyed roughing it just as much as the boys and the boys learned cooking, sewing and other household tasks. My son is now on his own and thanks to his Scout leaders is ready for anything. He still keeps in touch with his troop as they move out on their own, marry etc.
May 22, 2012 09:26:34   #
Hotsticks
 
Girl scouts now start in kindergarten they qare Daisy Scouts, on to Brownies and up the ranks to Senior girls scouts. Today's Girl Scouts learn thing from all segments of life. Still basic let's say survival skills ( cooking, sewing, etc.) along with car care, camping, technology finance and many other fields. On the other side of the gender issue the boys start out as Tiger Cub, then Cubs and on up the ladder to maybe. Eagle scouts. They also learn the same things as the girls . Girl scouts sell cookies and boy scouts sell popcorn. I was a girls scout leader for years, as well Asa service unit director, and cookie task force member. Husband is a former Eagle scout and went on to help my son's boy scout troop. As far as mixing the two, it is best to keep them separate, especially in this day and age. I.e. inappropriate behavior. We need to give each gender a group to all there own. There are many more activities out there fdor them to comingal(?) let's leave it that way. But what alot of people don't realize is that these group need volunteers to run them. If you have a skills, why not offer your services. You could by making a great impact on a child's life. I have also heard of teachers using knitting in different classes to help children learn concepts. We just need to spread our knowledge around to the younger generation.
May 22, 2012 09:52:38   #
sprink
 
What a terrific story, and how wise your Mum was to give you something so wonderful to do during those frightening times! My father was stationed in England during the war and fell in love with your island.
 
May 22, 2012 10:08:46   #
rmssrmss90
 
Does that ever bring back memories !! I knit, helmets, gloves, sweaters, etc. during World War II as I had a brother stationed overseas and wanted to do my part in keeping the servicemen warm. I was a freshman in high school at the time
In one of the sweaters I inserted my name and address inside the ribbing. Lo and behold ! I came home from school one day, my mother passing me a letter from a soldier and asking me to open it, her observing with an eagle eye. Where had her daughter met up with a soldier?
This letter had come from 32 miles from my home where there was a small army base and the soldier wanted to visit me. I was very disappointed that the items weren't going to the war zone. Since that time I have knit hundreds of items for friends, charity, for raffles, etc. and only donate to those people and organizations who I am sure are in need.
May 22, 2012 10:16:26   #
Patty Sutter (a regular here)
 
Aud36 wrote:
I was taught to knit by my Mum in WW2 in the air-raid shelter when I was 7 yrs old. She used to go to Jumble sales buy old woolies and we used to unpick (frog) ,skein ,wash and re knit. We seldom got new wool and if we did it was rationed and on coupons we used to save coupons for shoes and underwear She taught me to knit beacuse it took our minds of the bombing. Scary at 7 years old. We lived in a dock area where the troops and equipment left for Europe so we spent almost every night in the shelter.
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Scarey at 7 years old? I would think it was scarey at any age.!!
May 22, 2012 10:53:14   #
Yarntherapy
 
Hotsticks wrote:
Girl scouts now start in kindergarten they qare Daisy Scouts, on to Brownies and up the ranks to Senior girls scouts. Today's Girl Scouts learn thing from all segments of life. Still basic let's say survival skills ( cooking, sewing, etc.) along with car care, camping, technology finance and many other fields. On the other side of the gender issue the boys start out as Tiger Cub, then Cubs and on up the ladder to maybe. Eagle scouts. They also learn the same things as the girls . Girl scouts sell cookies and boy scouts sell popcorn. I was a girls scout leader for years, as well Asa service unit director, and cookie task force member. Husband is a former Eagle scout and went on to help my son's boy scout troop. As far as mixing the two, it is best to keep them separate, especially in this day and age. I.e. inappropriate behavior. We need to give each gender a group to all there own. There are many more activities out there fdor them to comingal(?) let's leave it that way. But what alot of people don't realize is that these group need volunteers to run them. If you have a skills, why not offer your services. You could by making a great impact on a child's life. I have also heard of teachers using knitting in different classes to help children learn concepts. We just need to spread our knowledge around to the younger generation.
Girl scouts now start in kindergarten they qare Da... (show quote)


Separate groups when you have thousands of people in one spot or city is great but when you have 20 scouts, boys and girls in an area of 30 or 40 miles, it is a different story. In rural areas there is not only limited activities but as you pointed out limited volunteers. My husband was a cub leader and I was a pathfinder leader (Girl guides, ages 12 - 16) in the city and there was lots of kids and lots of choices. In the rural area, not only did people travel to the next town or beyond to get to scouts but we were continually fighting to get volunteers to lead. My husband followed our son through the system helping and leading, I ended up on the local Scouts group committee due to no volunteers available. Also no inappropriate behavior was condoned, leader, kids or parents. Each troop has at the very least a leader of both genders so any problems could be handled quickly and privately. Rural areas so need something for the kids to do other than drink and have gravel pit parties that we all cheered when both sexes were allowed. Now the kids had a chance to replace the parties with canoe trips and camping. I also had foster children who loved Scouts but the girl would not go without her brother so no guides for her. I don't mean to rant but the system (schools included) so often looks at what is happening in a city setting and assume that it is the same as a rural setting. They make rules that in the city with 50 kids, losing 2 or 3 is nothing. In the country, losing 2 or 3 kids could mean that the numbers are now too low that the activity or group is cancelled.
May 22, 2012 11:06:56   #
valj46
 
Hotsticks wrote:
Girl scouts now start in kindergarten they qare Daisy Scouts, on to Brownies and up the ranks to Senior girls scouts. Today's Girl Scouts learn thing from all segments of life. Still basic let's say survival skills ( cooking, sewing, etc.) along with car care, camping, technology finance and many other fields. On the other side of the gender issue the boys start out as Tiger Cub, then Cubs and on up the ladder to maybe. Eagle scouts. They also learn the same things as the girls . Girl scouts sell cookies and boy scouts sell popcorn. I was a girls scout leader for years, as well Asa service unit director, and cookie task force member. Husband is a former Eagle scout and went on to help my son's boy scout troop. As far as mixing the two, it is best to keep them separate, especially in this day and age. I.e. inappropriate behavior. We need to give each gender a group to all there own. There are many more activities out there fdor them to comingal(?) let's leave it that way. But what alot of people don't realize is that these group need volunteers to run them. If you have a skills, why not offer your services. You could by making a great impact on a child's life. I have also heard of teachers using knitting in different classes to help children learn concepts. We just need to spread our knowledge around to the younger generation.
Girl scouts now start in kindergarten they qare Da... (show quote)


Over here we have rainbows [under 7 girls] under7 boys are beavers i think ,then its brownies[girls], cubs[boys] ,girl guides,boy scouts then they branch off to sea rangers etc
May 22, 2012 11:29:58   #
Grammy Toni
 
If you have an opportunity to look through any old (1900's through the '40's)copies of scouting books, you would see how society has evolved! The boys did indeed do "manly" things. The girls did fantastic things back then like learning how to do all the things pioneer women needed to do. Of course many of the girls then lived in rural settings where they had to know how to manage without electrical appliances, pre-cooked or store bought foods, cooking over wood stoves or campfires, making their own soaps etc. I know many of you on this forum still do many of those things today, but many of us are "citified" and would have a struggle if we were left in the open without our cellphones at least to look things up lol! Also, it's interesting how the books were written - fine print, few pictures, no color, and the level of reading was much more advanced than the more recent ones I've seen.
And my two cents on gender mixing? I attended both in high school and I saw how much more actual learning took place in separated class rooms - especially for the boys. And if I had a little boy nowadays I think I'd want him in an all boys school, at least in his early school years, so he would be able to act like a boy and not expected to sit still for hours and not have regularly scheduled play time or at least breaks where they have to do calisthenics in between subjects to get rid of excess energy. Most girls are able to sit still for longer periods of time and most schools are geared towards them - unless there is a teacher who sees the value in the kids standing up and doing jumping jacks - if they can sneak them in between their scripted teaching. (scripted teaching - where teachers are given strict instructions on how and what they teach in strict blocks of time regardless of whether the children understand what is being taught at any given time!!!!!!)
 
May 22, 2012 11:34:39   #
dollmama
 
I too am 79 and learned to knit when in a GS troop during WWII. I learned how to cast on, and then knit but didn't learn how to bind off. LOL Someone else always had to take my square off the needles for me. The squares were then put together by someone? and we made lap robes.
May 22, 2012 12:24:41   #
shepherd (a regular here)
 
I am 77 and learned to knit from my grandmother (German origin) in Cincinnati, Ohio. She was left-handed and I was right-handed so I sat across from her and did everything with the opposite hand. That is why I knit "Continental" now. The war came to us later, of course, and I remember vividly that at about 3 I heard on the big floor-model radio that they were taking the children to the country for safety and I had no concept of USA and UK, so every time I heard the doorbell I was afraid that they were coming to take me away, but I never told the adults that - a scared little girl.

I remember the war years we were in it very well, but that is too long to tell here. I now wonder why we had air raids with all that goes with them - blackout curtains, etc. in Cincinnati Ohio when the war was being fought with prop planes and there was no chance the Germans were going to bomb us so far from the coast, even if they had carriers off New Jersey!

Cincinnati was a German-settled city so we also did not suffer problems if we had Germanic names - most people did!

More recently, my son is a "World War II re-enactor", playing the part of a combat photographer. He is not real tall, and is very slim, so it is easier for him to get authentic clothing, as the war was fought by young men. One Christmas I made socks for him from a pattern of the time - Googled "WWII sock pattern" and it popped right up! I used the correct color, but used a wool blend yarn, because wool heels would wear quickly in combat boots and I didn't want to be so authentic that I had to darn them all the time!
May 22, 2012 12:26:42   #
pattibe (a regular here)
 
CharleenR wrote:
Was sitting with my mom today and the talk turned to knitting. I asked her if she taught my younger sister to knit and she said yes, I did it the same way as with you, by winding little toys into the ball of yarn (think we were both between 8 and 10) So I asked her, who taught you to knit, thinking it would have been her mother, my grandmother who died before I was born. Mom surprised me by saying no, I learned in the Girl Scouts and we made squares to make into blankets for the troups in WWII. My mother is going to be 79 this summer. Anyone else learn how to knit in the Girl Scouts for the same reason??
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No I learned from my mother, but she did knit hats and vests for the troops during WWII.

Saki sends his best meow to your kitty. He thinks they may be related since they both live in Sunny Calif. But have ancestors from Siam.
May 22, 2012 12:41:51   #
mernie
 
When my grandmother knitted for the soldiers in WWII, she made mittens with one finger for shooting ....
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