I am working on my first pair of socks. I decided, after all the forum input, to try the magic loop and do tube socks this is giving me practice with the ML and also the Kirtchner for the toes. My second sock is going much better. I am on # 5 needle and # 3 yarn. This has given me confidence to try REAL socks. Now I am wondering about trying ERIC'S on the 12" or just work the ML. decisions, decisions!