[yellowrose741]

I am wanting to knit brioche for the first time and have been checking out the patterns on Ravelry (my favorite go to place). I am finding that some patterns using the term brioche or brioche-tuck. Is there a difference? If so, what is the difference - if it is not to time consuming for you to describe. thanks

 

[MMWRay]

Craftsy has lessons. There are at least two different wording systems that are used to describe the same techniques in brioche knitting. This makes it much more difficult to learn than it really is to do. Pick one designer and learn something simple and progress from there.

 

[susanmjackson]

Nancy Marchant has excellent patterns and tutorials.

 

[imak]

I am learning brioche at the moment. There are two methods, one is with yarn-overs and the other is without yarn overs but putting the needle in the stitches of the last row. Maybe that is the difference with 'tuck'?
The method with the yarn-overs seems neater (in my beholder's eyes).

 

[NimueVaniva]

I have a stitch pattern book that lists a "brioche" pattern that is nothing like the 2-color work I've seen elsewhere. I was very confused and just moved on.

 

[Cathy B]

Tuck stitches are used in machine knitting, evidently Nancy Marchant has written a new book for using tuck stitches for hand knitting. Here is a link to an interview with Nancy. She is asked about Tuck knitting about 1/2 way down the page.

https://sweetgeorgiayarns.com/2018/04/tuck-stitches-the-new-brioche/

 

[klrober]

I would look for any video on Nancy Marchand....she is the master of brioche knitting....getting one of her books would be of help to..."Knitting Fresh Brioche " is a good one as it explains everything on it & has lots of patterns too.

 

[GrumpyGramma]

Good question that I never thought to ask!

I am learning brioche at the moment. There are two methods, one is with yarn-overs and the other is without yarn overs but putting the needle in the stitches of the last row. Maybe that is the difference with 'tuck'?
The method with the yarn-overs seems neater (in my beholder's eyes).

I'm familiar with the yo method from playing around with brioche in two colors but the other I don't know anything about and my brain can't make any sense of the description. Could you please help out a brain dead knitter and maybe post a link if it's not a bother? I can do some searching and see what I can find.

I got really frustrated with brioche not because it's too hard but because I kept making what I consider stupid mistakes. Those 4 stitch decreases are hard to fix when I do something wrong and I kept splitting the yarn.

 

[Cathy B]

I am learning brioche at the moment. There are two methods, one is with yarn-overs and the other is without yarn overs but putting the needle in the stitches of the last row. Maybe that is the difference with 'tuck'?
The method with the yarn-overs seems neater (in my beholder's eyes).

I'm familiar with the yo method from playing around with brioche in two colors but the other I don't know anything about and my brain can't make any sense of the description. Could you please help out a brain dead knitter and maybe post a link if it's not a bother? I can do some searching and see what I can find.

I got really frustrated with brioche not because it's too hard but because I kept making what I consider stupid mistakes. Those 4 stitch decreases are hard to fix when I do something wrong and I kept splitting the yarn.

Back in 2008, Elise Duvcote published "Knit one Below" on this technique. Not quite the same as brioche , the right side looks a bit the same but the wrong side looks different. The technique is similar to Elizabeth Zimmerman's fisherman's rib.
https://www.google.com/search?q=book+Knit+one+below&rlz=1CAJQUA_enUS882&oq=book+Knit+one+below&aqs=chrome..69i57.6189j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Here is a list of links to How to videos and tutorials:
https://www.google.com/search?q=knit+one+below&rlz=1CAJQUA_enUS882&oq=knit+one+below&aqs=chrome..69i57.2795j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[GrumpyGramma]

I am learning brioche at the moment. There are two methods, one is with yarn-overs and the other is without yarn overs but putting the needle in the stitches of the last row. Maybe that is the difference with 'tuck'?
The method with the yarn-overs seems neater (in my beholder's eyes).

I'm familiar with the yo method from playing around with brioche in two colors but the other I don't know anything about and my brain can't make any sense of the description. Could you please help out a brain dead knitter and maybe post a link if it's not a bother? I can do some searching and see what I can find.

I got really frustrated with brioche not because it's too hard but because I kept making what I consider stupid mistakes. Those 4 stitch decreases are hard to fix when I do something wrong and I kept splitting the yarn.

Back in 2008, Elise Duvcote published "Knit one Below" on this technique. Not quite the same as brioche , the right side looks a bit the same but the wrong side looks different. The technique is similar to Elizabeth Zimmerman's fisherman's rib.
https://www.google.com/search?q=book+Knit+one+below&rlz=1CAJQUA_enUS882&oq=book+Knit+one+below&aqs=chrome..69i57.6189j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Here is a list of links to How to videos and tutorials:
https://www.google.com/search?q=knit+one+below&rlz=1CAJQUA_enUS882&oq=knit+one+below&aqs=chrome..69i57.2795j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Many thanks! Some time later my brain function tried to kick in and I thought it might involve knit below. I found this too with multiple yo's on slipped stitches. Looks like fun.
Tuck Stitch Tutorial

This Tuck Stitch is interesting

 

[imak]

Good question that I never thought to ask!

I'm familiar with the yo method from playing around with brioche in two colors but the other I don't know anything about and my brain can't make any sense of the description. Could you please help out a brain dead knitter and maybe post a link if it's not a bother? I can do some searching and see what I can find.

I got really frustrated with brioche not because it's too hard but because I kept making what I consider stupid mistakes. Those 4 stitch decreases are hard to fix when I do something wrong and I kept splitting the yarn.

Here is a link, the language is german, but it is clear what she is doing from 5'10 onwards, after she has cast on 13 stitches with color A (grey) and knit a rib of one knit and one purl. After that she knits on the other side of the needle with colour B from 5'10, and so on.
I did not find this method in english, but maybe it is somewhere to be found in the internet.

Hope it is clear, but you can always ask me if necessary.

 

[laceluvr]

Good question that I never thought to ask!

I'm familiar with the yo method from playing around with brioche in two colors but the other I don't know anything about and my brain can't make any sense of the description. Could you please help out a brain dead knitter and maybe post a link if it's not a bother? I can do some searching and see what I can find.

I got really frustrated with brioche not because it's too hard but because I kept making what I consider stupid mistakes. Those 4 stitch decreases are hard to fix when I do something wrong and I kept splitting the yarn.

I prefer what they call 'faux' Brioche which is knitting in the row below. When I first did the Fisherman's Rib pattern, it took me awhile to figure out how to get my stitches back after I made a mistake. I'm pretty proficient at it now and don't hesitate to pull out my needles to fix a mistake a few rows down. To fix mistakes in Brioche is even trickier and more time consuming. There are videos devoted just to teach you how to fix mistakes in Brioche. IMO, the 'faux Brioche' is easier and creates the same nice thick cushy knit fabric.

 

[yellowrose741]

Good to know... your explanation was easy!

 

[yellowrose741]

thanks for the tip

Nancy Marchant has excellent patterns and tutorials.

 

[yellowrose741]

I will have to look for pictures of both

I am learning brioche at the moment. There are two methods, one is with yarn-overs and the other is without yarn overs but putting the needle in the stitches of the last row. Maybe that is the difference with 'tuck'?
The method with the yarn-overs seems neater (in my beholder's eyes).

 

[yellowrose741]

Thanks...... I will look check out the interview! just read it and got the explanation! thanks

Tuck stitches are used in machine knitting, evidently Nancy Marchant has written a new book for using tuck stitches for hand knitting. Here is a link to an interview with Nancy. She is asked about Tuck knitting about 1/2 way down the page.

https://sweetgeorgiayarns.com/2018/04/tuck-stitches-the-new-brioche/

 

[yellowrose741]

thank you all for your awesome responses.... I think that now I am ready for a brioche pattern!!

 

[GrumpyGramma]

Here is a link, the language is german, but it is clear what she is doing from 5'10 onwards, after she has cast on 13 stitches with color A (grey) and knit a rib of one knit and one purl. After that she knits on the other side of the needle with colour B from 5'10, and so on.
I did not find this method in english, but maybe it is somewhere to be found in the internet.

Hope it is clear, but you can always ask me if necessary.

Thanks! I'll have to try this. With a few notes I should be able to do it. That made me think of this pattern that I used for a shawl. It's easy enough that I didn't pay attention and had to fix mistakes too often.
on Ravelry https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/double-double-scarf
pattern page, double double stitch explained and photos to show it http://michelinel2000.canalblog.com/archives/2009/08/09/14697049.html

 

[IndigoSpinner]

I prefer what they call 'faux' Brioche which is knitting in the row below. When I first did the Fisherman's Rib pattern, it took me awhile to figure out how to get my stitches back after I made a mistake. I'm pretty proficient at it now and don't hesitate to pull out my needles to fix a mistake a few rows down. To fix mistakes in Brioche is even trickier and more time consuming. There are videos devoted just to teach you how to fix mistakes in Brioche. IMO, the 'faux Brioche' is easier and creates the same nice thick cushy knit fabric.

Knitting one below, or fisherman's rib was always considered Brioche, but just another way of doing the same thing until Nancy Marchant came along and declared that knitting below was NOT brioche.

I like the fisherman's knitting better because when you make a stitch below, it's completed. In Nancy's version, you do half the stitch, and then it needs to be completed in the next row, which I think makes it uselessly complicated. I've done samples of both of them, and they produce the identical stitch, although you may need to go up or down a needle size to get the identical gauge.

The stitch produced, however, is absolutely identical.

 

[Lillyhooch]

I am learning brioche at the moment. There are two methods, one is with yarn-overs and the other is without yarn overs but putting the needle in the stitches of the last row. Maybe that is the difference with 'tuck'?
The method with the yarn-overs seems neater (in my beholder's eyes).

That second method (knitting into previous row) is called Fisherman's Rib. I found the finished product looks the same as with the yarn over method, just easier to do.